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Group Administrator: Kirk Douglas ab8936@wayne.edu
Group Co-Administrator: Beryl Turner bturner@occmed.com.au
Project Surnames:
| Douglas | Douglass | Douglas-Scotti | Dowglas | | Dowglass | Duglas | Duglis | Dugliss | | Scotti | Scotti-Douglas |
Group General Fund:
Y-DNA Gift Certificate $30* - Kit 49106
2006 $30 Gift Certificate - Kit 78870
Y-DNA37 2007 Gift Certificate $30* - Kit 105980
Y-DNA37 2007 Gift Certificate $30* - Kit 106337
2/27/05 - Dr. Beryl V Turner donation in memory of Alexander Douglas....$40
2/27/05 - Total available....$40
9/14/05 - Christopher Wheeler donation in memory of Alexander Douglas (living 1603)....$10
9/14/05 - Total available....$50
9/15/05 - Christopher Wheeler donation in memory of Alexander Douglas (living 1603)....$30
9/15/05 - Total available....$80
10/24/05 - Jane Miscavich donation....$40
10/24/05 - Total available....$120
11/08/05 - Barbara Burkhardt donation in memory of Alexander Douglas (living 1603)....$10
11/08/05 - Total available....$130
12/19/05 - Dr Beryl V Turner donation in memory of Alexander Douglas....$110
12/19/05 - Total available....$240
12/19/05 - Kit 49106....($160)
12/19/05 - Total available....$80
06/01/06 - Thomas Douglas donation....$50
06/01/06 - Total available....$130
06/05/06 - Francis Douglas donation....$50
06/05/06 - Total available....$180
06/05/06 - Kit 56801....($79)
06/05/06 - Total available....$101
06/21/06 - Francis Douglas donation....$50
06/21/06 - Total available....$151
06/22/06 - Michael Douglas donation in memory of MacKenzie Douglas....$200
06/22/06 - Total available....$351
06/22/06 - Tom Douglas donation....$50
06/22/06 - Total available....$401
06/26/06 - Melvyn Douglass donation in memory of Charles L. Douglass (1815-1892)....$50
06/26/06 - Total available....$451
06/26/06 - M W Douglass donation....$50
06/26/06 - Total available....$501
06/26/06 - Michael Douglas donation in memory of Queensberry MacKenzie-Douglas....$10
06/26/06 - Total available....$511
06/26/06 - Kit 66714....($193)
06/26/06 - Total available....$318
06/26/06 - Kit 66715....($103)
06/26/06 - Total available....$215
08/31/06 - Francis Douglas donation in memory of James Archibald Douglas....$160
08/31/06 - Total available....$375
08/31/06 - Thomas Douglas donation....$50
08/31/06 - Total available....$425
09/05/06 - Kit 66715....($99)
09/05/06 - Total available....$326
09/18/06 - Kit 56801....($99)
09/18/06 - Total available....$227
03/08/07 - Kit 86518....($101)
03/08/07 - Total available....$126
03/19/07 - Capt Bruce Kinney donation....$100
03/19/07 - Total available....$226
03/19/07 - Kit 78561....($54)
03/19/07 - Total available....$172
03/19/07 - John G Douglas donation....$50
03/19/07 - Total available....$222
03/20/07 - Kit 87601....($193)
03/20/07 - Total available....$29
03/20/07 - Beryl Turner donation....$50
03/20/07 - Total available....$79
03/21/07 - Thomas Douglas donation....$50
03/21/07 - Total available....$129
03/21/07 - Francis Douglas donation....$100
03/21/07 - Total available....$229
05/07/07 - Neville Daden donation....$100
05/07/07 - Total available....$329
05/21/07 - Kit 92706....($193)
05/21/07 - Total available....$136
06/18/07 - Michael Douglas donation....$100
06/18/07 - Total available....$236
06/18/07 - James Douglas donation....$10
06/18/07 - Total available....$246
06/26/07 - Kit 95592....($103)
06/26/07 - Total available....$143
06/27/07 - Francis Douglas donation....$200
06/27/07 - Total available....$343
07/02/07 - Kit 96001....($193)
07/02/07 - Total available....$150
07/23/07 - Tom Douglas donation....$100
07/23/07 - Total available....$250
08/08/07 - Kit 98955....($103)
08/08/07 - Total available....$147
08/30/07 - Stephen Daglish donation....$100
08/30/07 - Total available....$247
09/04/07 - Edwin Douglass donation....$50
09/04/07 - Total available....$297
09/11/07 - Kit 93209....($99)
09/11/07 - Total available....$198
10/12/07 - Larry Douglas donation....$100
10/12/07 - Total available....$298
10/23/07 - Kit 104897....($30)
10/23/07 - Total available....$268
10/25/07 - Beryl Turner donation....$30
10/25/07 - Total available....$298
11/02/07 - Duncan Douglas donation....$100
11/02/07 - Total available....$398
11/05/07 - Janet Shaw donation for kit 95592....$100
11/05/07 - Total available....$498
11/05/07 - Kit 105980....($161)
11/05/07 - Total available....$337
11/08/07 - Kit 106337....($163)
11/08/07 - Total available....$174
11/09/07 - Robert Douglas donation....$50
11/09/07 - Total avaiable....$224
11/21/07 - Kit 98955....($99)
11/21/07 - Total available....$125
11/21/07 - Betsy Howesn donation for the testing of descendent of Aaron Douglas....$25
11/21/07 - Total available....$150
12/03/07 - Bryan Douglas donation....$50
12/03/07 - Total available....$200
12/11/07 - Alice King Foley donation in memory of Aaron Douglass, 1753-1819....$50
12/11/07 - Total available....$250
01/02/08 - Kit 95592....($99)
01/02/08 - Total available....$151
01/04/08 - Julie Hornung donation....$50
01/04/08 - Total available....$201
01/04/08 - Jane Miscavich donation....$50
01/04/08 - Total available....$251
01/08/08 - B H Howes donation for Aaron Douglas....$50
01/08/08 - Total available....$301
01/29/08 - B H Howes donation....$23
01/29/08 - Total available....$324
01/29/08 - Kit 7853....($49)
01/29/08 - Total available....$275
02/01/08 - Kit 113334....($150)
02/01/08 - Total available....$125
02/15/08 - Kit 114773....($103)
02/15/08 - Total available....$22
03/04/08 - Clan Douglas Association of Australia , donation Ralph Douglas....$200
03/04/08 - Total available....$222
03/11/08 - Kit 116940....($193)
03/11/08 - Total available....$29
03/19/08 - Thomas Douglas donation....$50
03/19/08 - Total available....$79
03/21/08 - Beryl Turner donation....$30
03/21/08 - Total available....$109
03/21/08 - Robert Douglas donation....$25
03/21/08 - Total available....$134
03/21/08 - Kit 117792....($101)
03/21/08 - Total available....$33
03/21/08 - Jon Sesterhenn donation....$25
03/21/08 - Total available....$58
06/30/08 - Julie Hornung donation....$25
06/30/08 - Total available....$83 |
Project Background:
| This project has arisen because many modern Douglas families have lost their genealogical connections to the Old Douglas lineages. Many of us can trace our families into the 1700s or even 1600s, and have family stories linking us to one of the old lines. But because of migration or lost records, we cannot find our Scottish ancestors or prove our descent from one of the old lines. |
Project Goals:
1.We seek to characterize the Old Douglas lines (eg Red, Black, and Morton Douglases and others). We are seeking Y DNA samples from Douglas males who can trace their lines to William De Douglas c1174.
We hope that with enough samples we can “define” these lines so that modern Douglases who have lost their connections with the Douglas lines can compare their results and be re-united (genealogically) with their origins.
2.We will also define the profiles of those families who cannot yet establish their connections to the Old Lines. We may be able to establish previously unknown connections in the modern families. However as we establish the genetic profiles of the modern lines it will be interesting to see if they can connect into the Old Lines.
3.With enough data we may be able to learn something about the origins of the Douglas clan. It has been thought that all of the modern Douglases are descended from Willem de Duglis (1174) and his sons. But there was at least one other Douglas who pre-dated Willem. This was Sholto, and his descendants are now in Italy and use the name of Scotti-Douglas, or Douglas-Scotti. In other clans a number of families grouped together, taking the name of the local area, and formed the clan. Did this happen in the Douglases? Were there a number of early Douglas progenitors?
4.Willem De Duglis was thought to be a Viking. We may be able to add more data to this discussion. |
Project News:
A yahoo discussion group has been formed for this group. Membership is open to membership of the DNA project, and to other interested in joining or discussing the results and purposes of the group.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/douglasDNA/?yguid=132306060
There is now a map on the site showing the origins of the most distant ancestors. Please update your personal page with the co-ordinates of your ancestor's origins. This will then update the map.
I have added a facility to this site for contributions to a fund for the project. I foresee that we will want to obtain DNA samples from some people who can already trace their lines back to William (1174). Some of these people may not have an interest in family history and may not see any reason to have their DNA tested. So we may need to contribute to the cost of the some tests if we are to get the information we need.
So please consider making a contribution to a fund for this purpose. This is a particularly suitable way for females and Non-Douglas surname males who want to see their lines defined.
The Douglas/Gordon connection.
we have found unexpected perfect matches (37 markers) between 2 of our Douglas members and a group of Gordon Surname members. This raises the liklihood of a common ancestor. Was he a Douglas or a Gordon?! We have started a discussion group between the affected members of the 2 families to work on this. Contact the co-ordinators if you are interested in this group. |
Project Results:
Douglas yDNA project update. January 2008
We have again made significant progress with our project since the last update.
Drumlanrig/Queensberry/Douglas of Morton lines defined.
We have established the genetic characteristics of the Drumlanrig/Queensberry/Douglas of Morton (not the Earls of Morton) line back to the 1478! This is a remarkable feat and means that in three families there has been no non-paternal event (illegitimacy, adoption) for 15-18 generations each! It also means that anyone believing they are from this line can now test this out with a high degree of confidence by yDNA testing. This group is R1a Haplogroup, and all direct male line descendants of William 6th Baron of Drumlanrig must be of this Haplogroup.
Earls of Morton
We have proven the Earls of Morton line to 1756, with distant cousins matching. All descendants of John, son of James Douglas 16th Earl of Morton must be R1b1 haplogroup.
There is another descendant of the Earls of Morton, the Swedish branch which has one representative. This line is I1a haplogroup, and other I1a members could be related to the Swedish line, or to the Earls of Morton prior to James the 14th or 16th Earl. At this stage we are unable to say whether the Earls of Morton prior to James the 16th Earl were haplogroup R1b1 or I1a. More information about the lineage of the other I1a members might throw some light on this.
We would like to have further testing for this very important line. We need participants whose line has diverged from the Earls of Morton prior to 1756 and since John of Dalkeith 1330. ie descended from the early Earls of Morton or the Douglases of Lochleven or Dalkeith. The further back your line diverges from the Earls of Morton line the more valuable you are to the project at this stage.
Domini Douglas.
Domini has emerged as a distinct yDNA line in the Douglas family. Domini was thought to be an illegitimate son of George (13th or 15th Earl of Morton), and half brother of James (14th or 16th Earl). However his DNA type does NOT match James’s son John. This has been proven by testing two men who are descended from John (5th cousins once removed), and finding that they match. This proves John’s genetic type. Similarly 2 descendants of Domini have proven his haplogroup.
So we can say with confidence now that either Domini or James or John is not descended genetically from George. And since Domini’s genetic type is distinctively Irish (and his mother was Irish) it is likely that Domini has an Irish male ancestor, possibly his father.
This issue will be finally decided when we have an earlier Earls-of Morton descendant to test.
Niall of Nine Hostages
The Domini line is descended from Niall of Nine Hostages (a very prolific Irish ancient line) but there are also others in the group who are descended from Niall but not through Domini. Some of these will be Irish lines of the Douglas family, but some of the sons of Niall are known to have visited Scotland and may have left behind Douglas descendants. Niall’s DNA signature is well defined and new participants with Irish heritage may well find they belong to this group.
Angus or Red Douglases
The haplogroup of our only known Angus descendant is also R1b, and is also a Niall of nine Hostages descendant. We will need a second family from this line to test as well, to examine how long this halpogroup has been in the Angus line.
Daglish (Dagliesh, Dalgliesh)
A number of our members have strong matches with members of the Daglish family. It is known that in some cases names have changed from Dagliesh (or variant) to Douglas and possibly also vise-versa at some stage. Some of these connections are being actively researched as a result of these matches. These participants are R1b1 haplogroup.
McKenzie-Douglas
We have one participant who traces his family to this line. He is haplogroup R1b.
Scotti-Douglas
We have a representative of this family who promised his DNA for testing, although he has not yet submitted his sample. His family is descended from Sholto Douglas who was in Scotland in the AD900s and whose descendants went to Italy. His result could tell us whether Sholto was related to Willem. This will also give us another Old line to compare ourselves with.
Modern families
Within the modern families who are not connected (yet) to the old lines we have had a number of matches. These families are busily looking for the common ancestor. Some of these matches were completely unexpected. Some families have proven suspected relationships and other relationships have been disproved. Some have found new cousins. One Douglas adoptee has found some cousins.
Call for Members:
We still need more men who can trace their lineage back to the Old lines.
If you are a known descendant of Willem De Duglis (1174) please consider joining our project. You will be helping lost Douglases- families who have lost their connection to the Douglas tree, to focus their research into the major lines of the family. If you represent a family line that we need for the project we might offer to pay for your test. We would likely pay for tests for proven Angus descendants or Earls of Morton descendants who are not descended from John son of James 14th or 16th Earl.
European lines of the Douglas family who have been separated from their Scottish ancestors for hundreds of years could be strategically very important for our project at this stage. These lines can give us information about the earliest Douglases when they are compared with the documented lines we have already established. We would be interested in making contact with further examples of European Douglas lines.
If you are one of the “lost” families, which cannot find their ancestor’s connection into the Douglas family, then we can now tell you with confidence whether you are from some of the lines mentioned above. If you are lucky you might immediately find your line. Otherwise a match will eventually come along, giving you a clue as to which family line you come from. You will certainly find a number of lines immediately that you can exclude from your research.
To talk to a project administrator (volunteer) or to apply for our free DNA test offer, message to:
bturner@occmed.com.au |
DNA Test Results (Alleles) for Project Members
* Haplogroups in green have been
confirmed by SNP testing. Haplogroups in red have
been predicted by Family Tree DNA based on unambiguous results in the
individual's personal page. This has been placed on this GAP page for your ease
and convenience. Please note that for any predicted results we see no reason for
ordering a SNP test to confirm the Haplogroup. if a – is in the HAPLO field then
we feel that the comparative results are not clear and unambiguous and if the
kit holder wants to know their SNP with 100% confidence they may consider
ordering a SNP confirmation test.
YDNA Member Distribution Map
DNA Test Results (mtDNA) for Project Members
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Project Background, Goals, Results and News are copyright of the specific Surname Project Project Surnames:
| Douglas | Douglass | Douglas-Scotti | Dowglas | | Dowglass | Duglas | Duglis | Dugliss | | Scotti | Scotti-Douglas |
Group General Fund:
Y-DNA Gift Certificate $30* - Kit 49106
2006 $30 Gift Certificate - Kit 78870
Y-DNA37 2007 Gift Certificate $30* - Kit 105980
Y-DNA37 2007 Gift Certificate $30* - Kit 106337
2/27/05 - Dr. Beryl V Turner donation in memory of Alexander Douglas....$40
2/27/05 - Total available....$40
9/14/05 - Christopher Wheeler donation in memory of Alexander Douglas (living 1603)....$10
9/14/05 - Total available....$50
9/15/05 - Christopher Wheeler donation in memory of Alexander Douglas (living 1603)....$30
9/15/05 - Total available....$80
10/24/05 - Jane Miscavich donation....$40
10/24/05 - Total available....$120
11/08/05 - Barbara Burkhardt donation in memory of Alexander Douglas (living 1603)....$10
11/08/05 - Total available....$130
12/19/05 - Dr Beryl V Turner donation in memory of Alexander Douglas....$110
12/19/05 - Total available....$240
12/19/05 - Kit 49106....($160)
12/19/05 - Total available....$80
06/01/06 - Thomas Douglas donation....$50
06/01/06 - Total available....$130
06/05/06 - Francis Douglas donation....$50
06/05/06 - Total available....$180
06/05/06 - Kit 56801....($79)
06/05/06 - Total available....$101
06/21/06 - Francis Douglas donation....$50
06/21/06 - Total available....$151
06/22/06 - Michael Douglas donation in memory of MacKenzie Douglas....$200
06/22/06 - Total available....$351
06/22/06 - Tom Douglas donation....$50
06/22/06 - Total available....$401
06/26/06 - Melvyn Douglass donation in memory of Charles L. Douglass (1815-1892)....$50
06/26/06 - Total available....$451
06/26/06 - M W Douglass donation....$50
06/26/06 - Total available....$501
06/26/06 - Michael Douglas donation in memory of Queensberry MacKenzie-Douglas....$10
06/26/06 - Total available....$511
06/26/06 - Kit 66714....($193)
06/26/06 - Total available....$318
06/26/06 - Kit 66715....($103)
06/26/06 - Total available....$215
08/31/06 - Francis Douglas donation in memory of James Archibald Douglas....$160
08/31/06 - Total available....$375
08/31/06 - Thomas Douglas donation....$50
08/31/06 - Total available....$425
09/05/06 - Kit 66715....($99)
09/05/06 - Total available....$326
09/18/06 - Kit 56801....($99)
09/18/06 - Total available....$227
03/08/07 - Kit 86518....($101)
03/08/07 - Total available....$126
03/19/07 - Capt Bruce Kinney donation....$100
03/19/07 - Total available....$226
03/19/07 - Kit 78561....($54)
03/19/07 - Total available....$172
03/19/07 - John G Douglas donation....$50
03/19/07 - Total available....$222
03/20/07 - Kit 87601....($193)
03/20/07 - Total available....$29
03/20/07 - Beryl Turner donation....$50
03/20/07 - Total available....$79
03/21/07 - Thomas Douglas donation....$50
03/21/07 - Total available....$129
03/21/07 - Francis Douglas donation....$100
03/21/07 - Total available....$229
05/07/07 - Neville Daden donation....$100
05/07/07 - Total available....$329
05/21/07 - Kit 92706....($193)
05/21/07 - Total available....$136
06/18/07 - Michael Douglas donation....$100
06/18/07 - Total available....$236
06/18/07 - James Douglas donation....$10
06/18/07 - Total available....$246
06/26/07 - Kit 95592....($103)
06/26/07 - Total available....$143
06/27/07 - Francis Douglas donation....$200
06/27/07 - Total available....$343
07/02/07 - Kit 96001....($193)
07/02/07 - Total available....$150
07/23/07 - Tom Douglas donation....$100
07/23/07 - Total available....$250
08/08/07 - Kit 98955....($103)
08/08/07 - Total available....$147
08/30/07 - Stephen Daglish donation....$100
08/30/07 - Total available....$247
09/04/07 - Edwin Douglass donation....$50
09/04/07 - Total available....$297
09/11/07 - Kit 93209....($99)
09/11/07 - Total available....$198
10/12/07 - Larry Douglas donation....$100
10/12/07 - Total available....$298
10/23/07 - Kit 104897....($30)
10/23/07 - Total available....$268
10/25/07 - Beryl Turner donation....$30
10/25/07 - Total available....$298
11/02/07 - Duncan Douglas donation....$100
11/02/07 - Total available....$398
11/05/07 - Janet Shaw donation for kit 95592....$100
11/05/07 - Total available....$498
11/05/07 - Kit 105980....($161)
11/05/07 - Total available....$337
11/08/07 - Kit 106337....($163)
11/08/07 - Total available....$174
11/09/07 - Robert Douglas donation....$50
11/09/07 - Total avaiable....$224
11/21/07 - Kit 98955....($99)
11/21/07 - Total available....$125
11/21/07 - Betsy Howesn donation for the testing of descendent of Aaron Douglas....$25
11/21/07 - Total available....$150
12/03/07 - Bryan Douglas donation....$50
12/03/07 - Total available....$200
12/11/07 - Alice King Foley donation in memory of Aaron Douglass, 1753-1819....$50
12/11/07 - Total available....$250
01/02/08 - Kit 95592....($99)
01/02/08 - Total available....$151
01/04/08 - Julie Hornung donation....$50
01/04/08 - Total available....$201
01/04/08 - Jane Miscavich donation....$50
01/04/08 - Total available....$251
01/08/08 - B H Howes donation for Aaron Douglas....$50
01/08/08 - Total available....$301
01/29/08 - B H Howes donation....$23
01/29/08 - Total available....$324
01/29/08 - Kit 7853....($49)
01/29/08 - Total available....$275
02/01/08 - Kit 113334....($150)
02/01/08 - Total available....$125
02/15/08 - Kit 114773....($103)
02/15/08 - Total available....$22
03/04/08 - Clan Douglas Association of Australia , donation Ralph Douglas....$200
03/04/08 - Total available....$222
03/11/08 - Kit 116940....($193)
03/11/08 - Total available....$29
03/19/08 - Thomas Douglas donation....$50
03/19/08 - Total available....$79
03/21/08 - Beryl Turner donation....$30
03/21/08 - Total available....$109
03/21/08 - Robert Douglas donation....$25
03/21/08 - Total available....$134
03/21/08 - Kit 117792....($101)
03/21/08 - Total available....$33
03/21/08 - Jon Sesterhenn donation....$25
03/21/08 - Total available....$58
06/30/08 - Julie Hornung donation....$25
06/30/08 - Total available....$83 |
Project Background:
| This project has arisen because many modern Douglas families have lost their genealogical connections to the Old Douglas lineages. Many of us can trace our families into the 1700s or even 1600s, and have family stories linking us to one of the old lines. But because of migration or lost records, we cannot find our Scottish ancestors or prove our descent from one of the old lines. |
Project Goals:
1.We seek to characterize the Old Douglas lines (eg Red, Black, and Morton Douglases and others). We are seeking Y DNA samples from Douglas males who can trace their lines to William De Douglas c1174.
We hope that with enough samples we can “define” these lines so that modern Douglases who have lost their connections with the Douglas lines can compare their results and be re-united (genealogically) with their origins.
2.We will also define the profiles of those families who cannot yet establish their connections to the Old Lines. We may be able to establish previously unknown connections in the modern families. However as we establish the genetic profiles of the modern lines it will be interesting to see if they can connect into the Old Lines.
3.With enough data we may be able to learn something about the origins of the Douglas clan. It has been thought that all of the modern Douglases are descended from Willem de Duglis (1174) and his sons. But there was at least one other Douglas who pre-dated Willem. This was Sholto, and his descendants are now in Italy and use the name of Scotti-Douglas, or Douglas-Scotti. In other clans a number of families grouped together, taking the name of the local area, and formed the clan. Did this happen in the Douglases? Were there a number of early Douglas progenitors?
4.Willem De Duglis was thought to be a Viking. We may be able to add more data to this discussion. |
Project News:
A yahoo discussion group has been formed for this group. Membership is open to membership of the DNA project, and to other interested in joining or discussing the results and purposes of the group.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/douglasDNA/?yguid=132306060
There is now a map on the site showing the origins of the most distant ancestors. Please update your personal page with the co-ordinates of your ancestor's origins. This will then update the map.
I have added a facility to this site for contributions to a fund for the project. I foresee that we will want to obtain DNA samples from some people who can already trace their lines back to William (1174). Some of these people may not have an interest in family history and may not see any reason to have their DNA tested. So we may need to contribute to the cost of the some tests if we are to get the information we need.
So please consider making a contribution to a fund for this purpose. This is a particularly suitable way for females and Non-Douglas surname males who want to see their lines defined.
The Douglas/Gordon connection.
we have found unexpected perfect matches (37 markers) between 2 of our Douglas members and a group of Gordon Surname members. This raises the liklihood of a common ancestor. Was he a Douglas or a Gordon?! We have started a discussion group between the affected members of the 2 families to work on this. Contact the co-ordinators if you are interested in this group. |
Project Results:
Douglas yDNA project update. January 2008
We have again made significant progress with our project since the last update.
Drumlanrig/Queensberry/Douglas of Morton lines defined.
We have established the genetic characteristics of the Drumlanrig/Queensberry/Douglas of Morton (not the Earls of Morton) line back to the 1478! This is a remarkable feat and means that in three families there has been no non-paternal event (illegitimacy, adoption) for 15-18 generations each! It also means that anyone believing they are from this line can now test this out with a high degree of confidence by yDNA testing. This group is R1a Haplogroup, and all direct male line descendants of William 6th Baron of Drumlanrig must be of this Haplogroup.
Earls of Morton
We have proven the Earls of Morton line to 1756, with distant cousins matching. All descendants of John, son of James Douglas 16th Earl of Morton must be R1b1 haplogroup.
There is another descendant of the Earls of Morton, the Swedish branch which has one representative. This line is I1a haplogroup, and other I1a members could be related to the Swedish line, or to the Earls of Morton prior to James the 14th or 16th Earl. At this stage we are unable to say whether the Earls of Morton prior to James the 16th Earl were haplogroup R1b1 or I1a. More information about the lineage of the other I1a members might throw some light on this.
We would like to have further testing for this very important line. We need participants whose line has diverged from the Earls of Morton prior to 1756 and since John of Dalkeith 1330. ie descended from the early Earls of Morton or the Douglases of Lochleven or Dalkeith. The further back your line diverges from the Earls of Morton line the more valuable you are to the project at this stage.
Domini Douglas.
Domini has emerged as a distinct yDNA line in the Douglas family. Domini was thought to be an illegitimate son of George (13th or 15th Earl of Morton), and half brother of James (14th or 16th Earl). However his DNA type does NOT match James’s son John. This has been proven by testing two men who are descended from John (5th cousins once removed), and finding that they match. This proves John’s genetic type. Similarly 2 descendants of Domini have proven his haplogroup.
So we can say with confidence now that either Domini or James or John is not descended genetically from George. And since Domini’s genetic type is distinctively Irish (and his mother was Irish) it is likely that Domini has an Irish male ancestor, possibly his father.
This issue will be finally decided when we have an earlier Earls-of Morton descendant to test.
Niall of Nine Hostages
The Domini line is descended from Niall of Nine Hostages (a very prolific Irish ancient line) but there are also others in the group who are descended from Niall but not through Domini. Some of these will be Irish lines of the Douglas family, but some of the sons of Niall are known to have visited Scotland and may have left behind Douglas descendants. Niall’s DNA signature is well defined and new participants with Irish heritage may well find they belong to this group.
Angus or Red Douglases
The haplogroup of our only known Angus descendant is also R1b, and is also a Niall of nine Hostages descendant. We will need a second family from this line to test as well, to examine how long this halpogroup has been in the Angus line.
Daglish (Dagliesh, Dalgliesh)
A number of our members have strong matches with members of the Daglish family. It is known that in some cases names have changed from Dagliesh (or variant) to Douglas and possibly also vise-versa at some stage. Some of these connections are being actively researched as a result of these matches. These participants are R1b1 haplogroup.
McKenzie-Douglas
We have one participant who traces his family to this line. He is haplogroup R1b.
Scotti-Douglas
We have a representative of this family who promised his DNA for testing, although he has not yet submitted his sample. His family is descended from Sholto Douglas who was in Scotland in the AD900s and whose descendants went to Italy. His result could tell us whether Sholto was related to Willem. This will also give us another Old line to compare ourselves with.
Modern families
Within the modern families who are not connected (yet) to the old lines we have had a number of matches. These families are busily looking for the common ancestor. Some of these matches were completely unexpected. Some families have proven suspected relationships and other relationships have been disproved. Some have found new cousins. One Douglas adoptee has found some cousins.
Call for Members:
We still need more men who can trace their lineage back to the Old lines.
If you are a known descendant of Willem De Duglis (1174) please consider joining our project. You will be helping lost Douglases- families who have lost their connection to the Douglas tree, to focus their research into the major lines of the family. If you represent a family line that we need for the project we might offer to pay for your test. We would likely pay for tests for proven Angus descendants or Earls of Morton descendants who are not descended from John son of James 14th or 16th Earl.
European lines of the Douglas family who have been separated from their Scottish ancestors for hundreds of years could be strategically very important for our project at this stage. These lines can give us information about the earliest Douglases when they are compared with the documented lines we have already established. We would be interested in making contact with further examples of European Douglas lines.
If you are one of the “lost” families, which cannot find their ancestor’s connection into the Douglas family, then we can now tell you with confidence whether you are from some of the lines mentioned above. If you are lucky you might immediately find your line. Otherwise a match will eventually come along, giving you a clue as to which family line you come from. You will certainly find a number of lines immediately that you can exclude from your research.
To talk to a project administrator (volunteer) or to apply for our free DNA test offer, message to:
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DNA Test Results (Alleles) for Project Members
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