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DYS464Xccgg

Group Administrator: Kirsten Saxe - Email: dnalister@comcast.net
- Email: ecbeaty@comcast.net;glasnant1+glasnant@glasnant.plus.com; kaybee930@aol.com

Project Surnames

Any man matching a man in group 1 BeatyByrneMcLaug, Any man matching a man in Group 2 BBM cccc matches, Any man matching a man in Group 3 BBM Cousins?, Any man matching a man in group 4 more BBM cousins, Any man matching a man in Group 5 2c2g Unclustered, Any man matching a man in Group 6 2c2g unclustered, Any man matching a man in Group 7 2c2g unclustered, Any man matching a man in Group 8 2c2g unclustered, Any man WITH 464x ccgg pattern (2cs & 2gs), Any man WITH 464x cggg pattern (1c & 3gs), Any man with a good match to the Leinster Modal, Any name here is a good indicator - Adams, Asbell, Azbell, Babie, Ball, Barnes, Barry, Baubie, Beattie, Beatty, Beaty, Berry, Black, Bradley, Brennan, Brown, Burnett, Burns, Byrne, Byrnes, Cannon, Carey, Carmack, Carty, Cavanaugh, Cienfuegos, Clark, Clarke, Clout, Colgan, Colgin, Corbin, Costello, Cotton, Cullen, D'Arcy, Davidson, Davis, de Bohun, Dempsey, Dillin, Dillon, Donaldson, Donnell, Dooley, Dorsey, Doty, Downing, Doyle, Dunleavy, Egan, Elliott, Eyrick, Farrelly, Fennessey, Fennessy, Ferguson, Fitzpatrick, Fletcher, Foley, Fortune, Franklin, Gaston, Geary, Glynn, Hamon, Hebert, Hennessey, Hennessy, Hudson, Ireland, Jordan, Kavanagh, Kavanaugh, Kelly, Kendrick, Kerr, Kinsella, Lacey, Lang, Leonard, Lish, Lobdill, Long, MacColgan, MacColgin, MacDonald, Macgregor, MacKenzie, MacMillan, MacMurrough, MacSum, Maddix, Maddox, Maddux, Mann, Martin, Maxham, McCabe, McCeney, McCloughan, McColgan, McColgin, McConnell, McDade, McDaniel, McDonald, McEvoy, McFarlane, McGee, McGehee, McGhee, McGillicuddy, McHale, McInvale, McLaughlin, McMillan, McRaney, Megehee, Mercado, Mernach, Murphy, Neal, Nesbitt, Norton, O' Neill, O'Brennan, Oden, O'Dunn, O'Toole, Owen, Owings, Peace, Polley, Quigley, Redmond, Redmonds, Rhea, Ridgeway, Robinson, Rose, Ross, Ryan, Schneider, Simmons, Simms, Sweet, Terry, Thompson, Toole, Towle, Uribe, Whalen, White, Whitmore

Current balance: $66.00

Group General Fund
Type Amount Date Donor Note KitNum Donation Type
Debit $27.50 7/2/2009   Kit 151633 151633 Unknown
Credit $50.00 6/30/2009 Kirsten Saxe     Unknown
Debit $29.00 6/8/2009   Kit 112904 112904 Unknown
Debit $750.00 4/27/2009   WTY 14738 Unknown
Credit $25.00 4/13/2009   Mr. P. D. Beattie donation   Individual
Credit $25.00 4/13/2009 Kirsten Saxe WTY   Anonymous
Credit $20.00 4/12/2009 Kenneth McDonald     Individual
Credit $20.00 4/12/2009 Earl C Beaty     Individual
Credit $25.00 4/12/2009 Kathleen Oliver Blanchard     Individual
Credit $25.00 4/11/2009 Aaron Kneavel For the WTY 464xccgg Project.   Individual
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Project Background

This project was made possible by the development of a special test called the DYS464X test. This test returns data on the same DYS464 markers that are tested by FTDNA's 25, 37, and 67 marker tests, but additional information is included in DYS464X results. There are two types of DYS464 marker, and the DYS464X test is able to distinguish the two types. Some have the amino acid cytosine at a particular position, while others have the amino acid guanine at that postion. Those that have cytosine are referred to as c type alleles, and those containing guanine are called g type alleles. Most men in the haplogroup R1b1b2 haplogroup have 3 c type alleles and one g type allele, and are said to be cccg. Others have 2 of each type of allele, and are said to be ccgg.

The project began as an outgrowth of the research of the administrators of the Beatty, Burns, and McLaughlin surname projects. The administrators of these projects noted that certain families in their projects had extremely similar DNA test results suggesting common ancestry prior to the adoption of surnames. Later they learned that most of these men are ccgg, and they realized that use of the 464X test could help them confirm many of the relationships between their families and others with similar DNA results. The number of men whose test results suggest that they are members of this cluster of families is quite large, and men from many of these families have tested ccgg. We use the names BeatyByrnesMcLaughlin cluster, BeatyByrnes cluster, and Leinster cluster to refer to this group. To find out more about early research on the Leinster cluster, please visit the following website:

http://clanmaclochlainn.com/leinster.htm

There are other men with ccgg test results whose haplotypes (test results) do not closely match those of the men thought to be members of the BeattyByrnesMcLaughlin cluster. We call these men unclustered ccggs, because we do not know whether any of them inherited their ccgg DNA from common ancestors. With additional data, it may be possible to group some of these unclustered ccggs together into additional ccgg clusters, and it may also become possible to classify some as members of the BeatyByrnesMcLaughlin group.

Researchers of the BeattyByrnesMcLaughlin cluster have been able to develop a DNA profile, or modal haplotype, which shows the most common results at each marker for the men known to be members of the group. This profile is called the Leinster Modal, because early research showed that many families in Leinster in Ireland are members of the group. The group also appears to be plentiful in other parts of Ireland and Scotland, and there seem to be a number of English matches to the modal as well. Some historical records suggest that the ancestors of some of the Irish and British lines came from Gaul about 2,000 years ago, while some of the surnames indicate Norman ancestry for at least a portion of the group. One member of the cluster with an Irish line and a French surname, Gaston, does have a family tradition of Norman origins. Some of our recent research has focused on looking for cluster members with a known origin on the continent of Europe. See our News page for the latest updates.

Because the DYS464X test is not part of the standard Y chromosome DNA tests, many ccgg men have no idea that they are ccgg. Those whose DNA test results match the results of one of our Beatty-Byrnes cluster members or one of the unclustered ccgg members of our project are encouraged to join the project and order the DYS464X test through the Advanced Orders system at FTDNA. This test is relatively inexpensive, at a cost of $18.00, with a one-time $9.50 transfer fee for those customers who have never used the Advanced Orders system before. If you wish to order this test online, go to your personal page at FTDNA, select the Order Tests and Upgrades option, select Advanced Orders, check the box marked Advanced, scroll down the page to Y-STR DNA-FP Panel 5 Palindromic Pack, check the box labeled DYS464X, click on the Next button at the bottom of the page, and continue in a similar fashion through the remaining pages to complete your order. You may also order by phone, and if you need assistance, please do not hesitate to contact one of the project administrators.

Some of the historical questions that the project may be able to help answer include:
1. Were the Lagin of Ireland related to the Dumnonii of W Scotland and SW England?
2. Did the Lagin originate from Armorica?
3. Were the Brigantes of N. England related to the Lagin & Dumnonii?
4. Were the Brigantes of N. England related to the Brigantes in E. Ireland on Ptolemy’s map.?

This research cannot be carried out via YSearch as individuals are not able to enter their Advanced Test results. It therefore seems that an FTDNA Y-DNA Geographical project would be the most appropriate method to enable accurate data capture, analysis and reporting on DYS464x ccgg distribution and relationships.

The project is working in co-operation with the contributors to the ccgg database of all ccgg individuals being gathered at:
The Group Website

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Beatty_Byrnes_DNA