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1) Timeline Comparison with Y-DNA SNP TMRCA and Cultures
2) Sub-Clade Location Analysis
3) Results of each Sub-Clade Analysis
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Timeline Comparison with Y-DNA TMRCA (YFull) and Cultures
Maykop Culture = 5700 ybp—5000 ybp
R-M269 = 6400 ybp
R-L23 = 6300 ybp
R-Z2103 = 6100 ybp
R-Z2106 = 6100 ybp
R-Z2108/9 = 6100 ybp
R-Z2110/CTS7822 = 6100 ybp
> Yamnaya Culture = 5,500 ybp – 4,300 ybp
R-CTS7556 = 4800 ybp
R-Y5592 = 4800 ybp
R-CTS1450 * CTS9219 = 4800 ybp
Yamnaya movement to Corded Ware = abt 4500 ybp
> Corded Ware Culture = 4900 ybp — 4350 ybp
R-Y5587 = 4800 ybp
R-BY250 = 4000 ybp
R-BY611 = 3300 ybp (Note: did not migrate to Corded Ware Culture)
>The Nordic Bronze Age (also Northern Bronze Age) is a period from c. 3700–2500 ybp
>Lichtenstein Cave = 3000 ybp / The Urnfield culture (c. 1300 BCE – 750 BCE) (3300 ybp - 2750 ybp) (South of Nordic)
>Pre-Roman Iron Age = 2400 – 2000 ybp
> Northern Germanic Tribes = 2250 ybp - 1500 ybp (500AD)
R-BY250* Sawyer = 4000 ybp
R-Y15982/3 Earhart = 2900 ybp
R-Y16143 Black = 2000 ybp CI 95% 2700-1400 ybp (600AD)
BY3297/Y17988 Pan/Holl = 2000 ybp Note: Pan/Holl spit after 2000 ybp, Cimbri split? 62.5 Generations@32
Pancheri Y18455 950 ybp/1000AD - CI 95% 1450-550 ybp - 30 Generations@32
Hollingsworth Y19137 450 ybp/1566AD - CI 95% 700-250 ybp - 14 Generations@32
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Sub-Clade Location Analysis
There are 3 brother Sub-Clades under R-CTS1450 * CTS9219.
Are there any common locations between them?
R-Y5587
The majority are from Eastern Europe with a bias toward the North, with a small number from Western Europe with a bias to the North.
R-BY250
The majority are from Western Europe with a bias toward the North, with a small number from Eastern Europe.
R-BY611/Y10789 (used to be referred to as The Albanian/Balkans Cluster)
The majority are spread across southern Europe, from Romania/Bulgaria/Black Sea across Southern Europe, next to the Mediterranean Sea, to Portugal/Spain
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Results of each Sub-Clade Analysis
New Sub-Clades discovered with Big-Y Test, we started with 15 sub-clades
New sub-clade that splits Sanchez from Strasz & Sobol
New sub-clade that splits Fagundes from Blair & Cummons
New sub-clade that splits Fayolle from the Mercers, there maybe new sub-clades in-between these people not found yet.
New sub-clade that splits Hadzhiimamov from Black
New sub-clade that splits M. Pancheri from C. Pancheri & E. Pancheri
New sub-clade Y32821 for the Thorntons
New sub-clade that spits Baugher from Earhart & Peed
New sub-clade BY20217 that replaces BY11860
New sub-clade BY20206 for Rivkin & Sanchez
New sub-clade Y28788 for La Palombella
New sub-clade BY20232 under Y28635 that separates the Mercers
New sub-clade BY25533 under Y19752 for Cumbo
New sub-clade BY25540 under BY25533
4 new sub-clades below BY20217
2 new sub-clades BY47087 & BY84880
New main brother sub-clade Y71299 under BY250
New sub-clade BY172709
41 sub-clades total Dec 2018
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BY250 * - TMRCA 4500 ybp or 2550 BC
Sawyer, Ramsden = Need 111, can not analyze
BY250 > BY3717/Y19469 > BY20206 - TMRCA 4500 ybp or 2550 BC
Sanchez EKA = Spain, Rivkin EKA = Russia. Sanchez & Rivkin's STR age to the common ancestor (Pairwise TMRCA) is 2000 years. This means that Sanchez’s ancestors split from Rivkin ancestors about 2000 years ago and migrated to Spain. Given the results that we have at this time Rivkin's ancestors most likely stayed in the area of the Northern Eastern European Steppes. There is another 2500 years till the birth of the sub-clade BY3717*, which is about the known time that the Yamnaya migrated to Russia/Ukraine (Corded Ware Culture).
BY250 > BY3717/Y19469 > BY20217 - TMRCA Unknown
Cummins EKA = England or Scotland ?, Blair EKA = Scotland, Fagundes EKA = Portugal, Need 111, can not analyze.
Blair & Cummons STR age to the common ancestor (Pairwise TMRCA) is 3926 years or 1976 BC, which is quite a ways back in time. Since we do not have the SNP sub-clade age yet nor conformation that BY11860? is valid, its very hard to make valid statements. The Blairs have genealogical evidence that their Blair is connected to Jean Francois, a Norman, was granted Barony of Blare by King William, between 1165 and 1200. There is also a Comyn, a Norman, who also was granted land by King William, but we do not have any evidence of a connection to that Comyn. So until we receive the SNP sub-clade age and other evidence, we can't come to a conclusion, yet.
BY250 > BY3717/Y19469 > Y23493 - TMRCA 4500 ybp or 2550 BC
Fayolle EKA = France, Anonymous = Poland (No STR markers). Sub-Clade Y23493 is the parent of sub-clade Y28635, the time between them is 3850 years, there is also a lot of SNP's in between. This may mean that there are undiscovered sub-clades in between these two sub-clades. The Poland sample may be a connection to Poland for Fayolle & Mercer, but without STR markers we can't tell.
BY250 > BY3717/Y19469 > Y23493 > Y28635 - TMRCA 650 ybp or 1300 AD
Mercer EKA = England. The STR age to the common ancestor for Mercer & Fayolle is 3346 years or 1396 BC. The STR age to the common ancestors (Pairwise TMRCA) of the Mercers is about 325 years. Both of these times are way short of the SNP sub-clade age. This is a function of the Mercers being very closely related and the large time span between sub-clades. We need to have more people in these sub-clades. Is there a migration connection between England & France? The Mercer surname came to England from France, Norman surname = de Mercier, this is very speculative, but you never know. If the SNP sub-clade age was about 1000 AD or before that would match up with the Norman invasion of 1066 AD.
BY250 > BY3717/Y19469 > Y19752 - TMRCA was 3300 ybp, now 2200 ybp
Perry EKA = England, Lake EKA = Norway, The STR marker TMRCA is 57 Generations or 1824 ybp or 176 AD. So that means that the common ancestor was born before the SNP age. From the data we now have there is good chance that BY3717>Y19752 sub-clade was most likely born somewhere within the Nordic Bronze Age Area. Since Lake’s EKA is living in Norway, a Nordic Bronze Age Country, the Perry’s must have left there after about 176 AD. This fits in well within the time frame of the migrations of the Anglo-Saxons, Vikings and Scandinavian settlements. Update: We have a new member (Cumbo)who's STR marker TMRCA matches the SNP age of 1300 BC. This means that his common ancestor was born in the Nordic Bronze Age area. Because his age to the common ancestor is so old his migration path to Spain could be any. The most likely would be Crusades migrations or the Visigoths who ruled Spain until 718 AD.
BY250 > BY3717/Y19469 > Y29917 - TMRCA 1350 ybp or 600 AD
Strasz EKA = Poland, Sobol EKA = Belarus , Kozel EKA = Ukraine (Kozel has not updated to 111 & Big-Y). Strasz & Sobol's age to the common ancestor (Pairwise TMRCA) is 800 ybp or 1150 AD, so their common ancestor was born after the sub-clade common ancestor, about 550 years after. Most likely Strasz, Sobol and Kozel's ancestors were from this area since 600 AD, maybe much earlier, could be back as far as 2500 BC.
New Sub-Clade BY250 > BY3717/Y19469 > Y32822/Y19785 TMRCA ~850 ybp or 1100 AD
Thornton EKA = England, Need 111, can not analyze. The time between BY3717 and Y32822 is 3,650 years! and there is at least 28 SNP’s in-between, this means that there is most likely undiscovered sub-clades in-between that we have not found any persons, yet.
BY250 > Y15982 - TMRCA 2600 ybp or 650 BC
Earhart/Ehrhart EKA = Germany, Baugher/Bager EKA = Germany, Peed EKA = England, The STR TMRCA of these three individuals is 2515 ybp, very close to the SNP age. I also did a pairwise TMRCA of these individuals and found that they all come close to 2515 ybp. This means that they all have the same distance (time) from each other. The SNP and STR TMRCA dates (time) match up with the Pre-Roman Iron Age 2400-2000 ybp and the Northern Germanic migrations south starting in about 2000 ybp. Since these 3 members ancestors common ancestor is so far back in time (650BC) it is hard to estimate their migration path, other than south. It will take another new tester to determine their individual migration paths.
BY250 > Y15982 > Y16143 - TMRCA 2000 ybp or 0 BC
Black/Plack, Hadzhiimamov = Need 111, can not analyze
BY250 > Y15982 > Y16143 > BY3297/Y17988* - TMRCA 2000 ybp or 0 BC
? No person found, Yet. It is critical to the research of the Pancheri’s and Hollingsworth’s to find these persons, because it is the parent sub-clade to both.
BY250 > Y15982 > Y16143 > BY3297/Y17988 > Y18455 - TMRCA 550 ybp or 1400 AD
Pancheri EKA = Italy, The STR age to the common ancestor is 558 years, very close to the SNP sub-clade age.
BY250 > Y15982 > Y16143 > BY3297/Y17988 > Y19137 - TMRCA 450 ybp or 1500 AD
Hollingsworth EKA = Ireland, The STR age to the common ancestor is 775 years, very far off the SNP sub-clade age. Even using McGee's and Struve's Phyloage the results come up very close to each other. This is just a function of some STR markers having a lot of variance. We know from genealogical evidence that the Hollingsworth split from the Pancheri's later, the SNP sub-clade age verifies this.