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Table I :Variations in Spelling of the Name “Sully”

By W. John Sully c1950s-1980s?


Cealey

Cealy

Ceely

Ceeley

Cely

Gully

Saley

Scilly

Scilley

Sealy

Sealey

Sealie

Seally

Sealye

Seely

Seeley

Seilley

Seilly

Seley

Sellegh

Selley

Selleye

Selly

Sely

Selye

Seulle1

Seuly2

Silly

Soilly2

Soliaco3

Souley4

Suilly

Sulby

Sulie

Suleye

Sule

Sules5

Suley

Suleye

Sulye

Suylli

Suylly

Sullay

Sulle

Sullee

Sulley

Sulleye

Sulleygh

Sulli

Sullia

Sullie

Sulligh

Sulliy

Sully

Sullye

Suylli

Suylly

Zelly

Zolie

Zully

Zulley

 

FootNotes:

1              John Fox. Roll of Battel Abbey

2              Ancient French

3              Ancient French – Henry de Soliaco, abbot of Glastonbury

4              Leland. Roll of Battel Abbey

5              Holinshed. Roll of Battel Abbey

 

Total:  61 surnames whentyped by W. John Sully

 

[This chart, Table I, Variations in Spelling of the Name“Sully” was submitted by Lionel Sully; it was researched and prepared by hisfather, W. John Sully ( ___/____), and sent to Dee Bardes, Cilley Sealy DNA Project Admin., via email September 2013; Please confirm dates and location for W. John Sully, author of this Table I.]

 

 


Does the R1b YDNA 37 marker perfect match between the Devonshire & Somerset lines of Sully & Cilley point to Somerset roots,c1500’s?

A Working Paper by Dee Bardes, Cilley Sealy Project Admin.,version 1.0, dated 11 September 2013


Yes you need to submit written research to add to here…Please refer to my pink Cilley group in my colorful matrix prior to reading this- I am still waiting for several matches to join- so do hurry! Please phone soon with questions.   Below I am transcribing some Sully/Sealy/Cielly hits after reading them from a book image online; yes, I am only looking at Volume 6 here, due to the Oldest Ancestors names/locations in the pink group.


Part I:

SOMERSETSHIRE VOLUME 6, SEALY/SULLY/CILLEY CLUES
The small populations of some of these locations now within Sedgemoor, Somerset  are listed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedgemoor

 

1. Marriages at Durleigh (Durley?)

Richard Sully m Joan Wall, 21 Jun 1701

http://archive.org/stream/somersetparishre06phil#page/34/mode/2up/search/sealy]

 

John Sealy m Grace Furz, both of Wembdon, 22 Oct 1712[Wembdon a rural village near Bridgwater}

http://archive.org/stream/somersetparishre06phil#page/34/mode/2up/search/sealy

 

2. Marriages at Overstowey         

Michael Dent m. Mary Sealy, 20 Feb 1759

Samuel Kibby m. Elizabeth Sully, 23 Jul 1770 [date same as for John Sealy below, listed consecutively, perhaps a double wedding of relatives?]

John Sealy., car. of South Brent m Anne Frost, 23 Jul 1770

http://archive.org/stream/somersetparishre06phil#page/68/mode/2up/search/brent

[What does a car. mean?—Please write Dee if you know- all 3 of these above from same link]

 

Andrew Crosse m. Mary Sealy, 20 Nov 1580

http://archive.org/stream/somersetparishre06phil#page/56/mode/2up/search/sealy

 

John Sealy m. Elizabeth Gibbes, w., 22 Nov 1586

http://archive.org/stream/somersetparishre06phil#page/56/mode/2up/search/sealy

 

John Harris m. Lucy Sully, w., 24 Jun 1583

http://archive.org/stream/somersetparishre06phil#page/56/mode/2up/search/sealy

 

Hugh Cabull m Anne Selye, 28 Aug 1593

http://archive.org/stream/somersetparishre06phil#page/58/mode/2up

 

Arthur Bellamy m. Elizabeth Cealy, 3 May 1621

Thomas Walford  m.Alice Sely, 19 Nov 1617

 Edward Sealy m. Mary Winifer, 17 Apr 1635

Alexander Comer m. Johan Sully, 22 Apr 1639

http://archive.org/stream/somersetparishre06phil#page/60/mode/2up/search/sealy

 

3. Marriages at Cannington

John Westcot m. Joyse Sely, 15 Jan 1566

Hugh Sealy m. Agnes Became, 3 Aug 1568

http://archive.org/stream/somersetparishre06phil#page/90/mode/2up/search/sealy

 

several Sealy women….

Rychard Sealy m. Sybly Tucker, 6 May 1574

http://archive.org/stream/somersetparishre06phil#page/92/mode/2up/search/sealy

 

John Taylor m. Jone Sealy, 6 Sept 1584

Bawdwyn French m. Christian Sealy, 14 Oct 1587

Bartholemew Sealy m Alyce Burne, 14 Oct 1582

http://archive.org/stream/somersetparishre06phil#page/94/mode/2up/search/sealy

 

several Sealy women-

http://archive.org/stream/somersetparishre06phil#page/96/mode/2up/search/sealy

 

one Sealy woman

Rychard Sealy m. Johan Whyte, 2 Sept 1605

Edward Sealy m. Deanes Keymer, 23 Jun 1612

http://archive.org/stream/somersetparishre06phil#page/98/mode/2up/search/sealy

 

Wilyam Body m. Agnis Sully, 6 Jun 1649

http://archive.org/stream/somersetparishre06phil#page/106/mode/2up

 

Samuel Selly of Gotehurst m. Anne Lewes, 7 Apr 1735

http://archive.org/stream/somersetparishre06phil#page/114/mode/2up

 

4. Marriages at Enmore

John Sully m. Joan Sully, both of Stowey [yes both surnames spelled this way], 19 Sept 1705 http://archive.org/stream/somersetparishre06phil#page/42/mode/2up/search/sully

 

John Hart m.Jane Sully, w., 3 Oct1712

http://archive.org/stream/somersetparishre06phil#page/44/mode/2up/search/sully

 

Thomas Sealey of Martock m. Katherin Rogers, 23 Sept 1667

Richard Selly m. Abigail [__]tford at Taunton, 11 Apr 1689

http://archive.org/stream/somersetparishre06phil#page/42/mode/2up/search/selly

 

Part II

CEILY OF CHARLTON or CELY OF CHARLTON

Importantly, there are three different book volumes of The history and antiquities of the county of Somerset, by Rev. John Collinson, published 1791; Printed by R. Cruttwell in Bath, ENG.

An index entry, Vol. 3, reads: Ceily, of Charlton, i77 [Vol 1 p77]

http://archive.org/stream/historyantiqutit03colluoft#page/n645/mode/2up

 

I had a tough time finding this important Ceily reference spelled Ceily.  It seems to be instead be spelled Cely here,Volume 1, page 160.  So perhaps the indexer was giving us a clue. http://archive.org/stream/historyantiqutit01colluoft#page/160/mode/2up/search/charlton

Yes the imprinted page reads p76, continuing to top of page 77; both pages are entitled Creech St. Michael [Andersfield].

 

Also on this page 76, notice the bishop, Ralph de Salepia or Salopia, c1362.(“The church of Creech was appropriated in 1362 
to the priory of Montacute, and  a vicarage ordained the fame year by bifhop Ralph de Salopia, when it was appointed  that the
vicar for the time being should have the whole parfonage-houfe, with  the orchards and gardens belonging thereto…”)

 

Here we learn that the fourth aisle of the Church of Creech belongs to the family of Cely of Charlton.  Again, I (Dee who is writing this] have had to correct many scanning errors from this book, but not all-- so see the original.

(“The church which is dedicated to St. Michael, giving the additional name to the parish stands on an eminence on the north side of the river Tone. It consists of a nave, chancel, and side aisles, covered with tile. The north aisle is divided in the middle by the belfry, which supports a square embattled tower, sixty feet high, wherein hang five musical bells. The fouth aisle belongs to the family of Cely of  Charlton, and is separated from thenave by a handsome open work Gothic screen  * * * . In this aisle is a blue stone with the following inscription [in part only here]:

"In memory of Edward Cely of Charlton * * * 

barrister at law who deceased on the 6th day of February

* **   buried * * * 1676,"   Arms: a chevron between three mullets, * * *”) http://ia700400.us.archive.org/16/items/historyantiqutit01colluoft/historyantiqutit01colluoft_djvu.txt 

Original Pages at http://www.archive.org/stream/historyantiqutit01colluoft#page/160/mode/2up

 
The above pages discuss the arms and memorial of Edward Celly, barrister who died in 1676, buried at the church. Since he 
himself has “arms”, surely his lineage is recorded, i.e. College of Arms?, along with that honor.  Having an aisle at the church is
significant and would seem to suggest multiple monied generations.
 
Further down page 77 is a Robert Cuffe, died 1595; whether this second, old monument ruin could include another spelling/ 
transcription possibility for Ceille is unknown…
 

On pg. 74, Charlton is described as “one mile east, having seven houses, four of which are farms.” The parish, which may be Creech St. Michael is described as three miles east from Taunton, and ten+? from Bridgwater. So pinpointing where this Cely family lived seems feasible.

 

Andersfield may be the hundred. (“THE HUNDRED  OF  ANDERSFIELD TOOK its name from a small hamlet in the parish of Goathurst, where the hundred courts were formerly held. It consists of only six parishes, viz. Broomfield, Durley, Enmore, Goathurst, Creech, and Ling. The first four are  situated under the eastern side of the Quantock hills j and the last two form a long narrow fslip of land on the north side of the river Tone, disjoined from the other part,  and lying betwixt the hundreds of North -Petherton and North-Curry.“)

 

Does this reference to Goathurst, align with the town named here in marriage of“Samuel Selly of Gotehurst”, infra? Enmore is also included on our marriages from Vol 6 listed here.  So a cluster is arising among these named six parishes of Andersfield—three of the Quantock Hills.


Generally:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andersfield_%28hundred%29

Historical Hundred of Andersfield

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creech_St_Michael

Creech St Michael is village and Civil parish

http://domesdaymap.co.uk/place/ST2725/creech-st-michael/

Open Doomsday Book

 

Note: Other Vol 3 index entries read as follows, pointing to Vol 2 (not seen by Dee-so feel free to write up):

Sir Raymond de Sully,ii394

Sulleny Family,ii445,446

http://archive.org/stream/historyantiqutit03colluoft#page/n653/mode/2up

 

 [end of Somerset work in progress by Dee Bardes--please submit input for next version! Spacing errors generated via the Texas lab's servers-so do forgive. Does an HTML expert out there wish to do re-formatting?]




ARE DEVONSHIRE RECORDS EXTANT FOR SEALY FAMILY, c1600s?

A Working Paper by Dee Bardes, Cilley Sealy DNA Project Admin., August 2013, v.1.1

Given my hope to publish the Emily Cilley Poole Diary(1836/1916) by 2015, the question of documentation to support her early English heritage arises. Sponsors and subscribers are needed.  Research input is actively sought, with sources. Yes, I will credit you and your repositories so do include preferred citation, if any.

Confusion in the literature, has so often driven me back to primary sources, perhaps it would be expeditious to determine if any exist.  In heading to the ACPL after the Seeley Genealogical Society Reunion, I found the number of Seeley books on their open shelves, surname section, considerable.

Using the premise of author, Richard Norman Cilley, PhD (1978, 1984, et al) following author, Walter Goodwin Davis (1931,1956) to be discussed further (__________), two parishes in southwestern England were investigated:
Stokeinteignhead and Kingsteignton.

PART I: Devonshire books at ACPL

I examined hard-bound books at the Allen County Public Library, Ft. Wayne, IN:

PESKET’s 1983 GUIDE

Guide to the Parish and Non Parochial Reg of Devon & Cornwall, 1538-1837, by Hugh Peskett, GC 942.3501 P437G ACPL, pub. 1979, Devonshire Press Ltd, Torquay ENG.  This is a red book.  Excellent. Yes it is a 1983 version.  Hugh’s address(1983): 1 Ave Rd Winchester SO22 5AQ.  On p9, Additions as of 1983, Devon Anglican Parishes, Deanery of Kenn, page #140, parish of StokeinTeignhead, source o/reg, location  DRO, covering dates  C 1538-1864; M 1539-1836; B 1538-1813.  I am assuming C=Christenings, M=Marriages, B=?Burials?, given the order or perhaps ...

Then on p140,
Stokeinteignhead, population 574, Wonford hundred, Archdeaconry of Exeter. Under which is Original Register, incumbent, with dates 1538- ___ (blank); BT [Bishop’s Transcripts], DRO [Devon Record Office, Castle St., Exeter, Devon], CMB [____________] 1606- ___ (blank); Copy Reg  DCRS [Devon and Cornwall Record Soc Lib, Secretary’s address: 7 The Close, Exeter, Devon; West Country Studies Lib, Castle St, Exeter]  ms, with dates; Indexes  CFI [Card File Index] f [microfiche]  C 1538-1837; M 1538-1836  [but no births listed here].  Here I tried to add the column headings with the data.

On Pesket’s p12, Anglican parishes still holding pre-1813 registers, includes 140, West Teignmouth.  Perhaps this points us from page 140, given the word incumbent (not on abbreviations page).  Suggests that the still incumbent area holds its own records. I note that West Teignmouth, Exminster Hundred, Pec Bishop of Exeter, a chapelry of Bishopsteighton is listed alphabetically under Stokeinteignhead, on the same p140.  West Teignmouth is only included due to proximity.

Peskett’s red book, p126, includes Kingsteighton pop 856, Teighbridge hund, Ard’y of Totnes  [same DRO, DCRS, CFI locations].  This is Deanery of Moreton.

But my note from Wm Davis’s remarkably detailed, wonderful 1931 article had cited to the Archdeaconry Court of Totnes, as being the source for Andrew Sealy’s Will dated 14 Apr 1664. Also I had quickly scribled Kingstanton, Devon as a location for an Andrew, John, and Thomas.  So the Deanery of Totnes on Peskett’s p115 may also factor.  A green book, Devonshire Parishes, Vol 2 by Worthy, Gc942.35016 T717w v2,ACPL, has a parish spelled Kings-Teignton, on p251. Discusses 1300s...Here it tells us “This parish is situated about one mile from Newton Abbot on the Teignmouth Road, in the hundred of Teignbridge, the Arch’y of Totnes and the Deanery of Moreton.” [p251].  The name is hyphenated.

Later, going to the web, I find DRO, Newton Abbot - with thanks to a Rootschat post, for a timely clue!:
http://www.devon.gov.uk/teignbridge.htm
Appointments: All appointments must be by prior arrangement - please telephone 0845 155 1002 Address: Devon Register Office, Old Forde House, Brunel Road,Newton Abbot TQ12 4XX; The Devon Register Office is located in Old Forde House which is within the grounds of Teignbridge District Council - an approximate 15-minute walk from the main line Railway Station and the centre of Newton Abbot.  [Also see Exeter Registration Office where it states: “
From 1 June 2012, the Devon Register Office was transferred to Newton Abbot.”]

UPDATE ON PESKETT (1983), THANKS TO DEVON FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY!

Thanks to M. Selley of Devon FHS for writing: “I should tell you that Peskett's Guide is ideal for discovering the Devon Deaneries (groups of churches) as at 1837, but it is totally out of date with regard to the location of registers.  All surviving  historic baptism/marriage/burial registers for the county of Devon have been deposited in one of the three Devon Record Offices: Exeter (Devon Heritage Centre), Barnstaple (North Devon Record Office), Plymouth (Plymouth and West Devon Record Office).” [20 Aug 2013 email to Dee Bardes from M. Selley of Devon FHS]



GRYLLS’S 2007 INDEX, HOW TO FIND DEVONSHIRE RECORDS

In a 2007, Devon Fam His Soc guide, a slim green book, ACPL, we learn p1, that there is no comprehensive index of marriages in Devon bef 1754.  This book is called Marr in Devon before 1754, a guide to the whereabouts of copies, etc, by Richard G Grylls.   This seems to be similar to Pesket’s guide. Here we learn:

Kingsteignton, PRs 1670, BTs [green square here], Transcripts at DCRS (WCSL) “BTs 1606-1670, then Reg.”, IGI [green square here], then blank under next two/three columns (Soc of Gen.-blank, Other Transc/Index/Copies etc- blank), OPC [no square here, so also blank].  This is from Parish/Church chart on p12.

Further along on p16, we find Parish or Church (column heading) for Stokeinteignhead. Here the column headings and data tell us:  PRs 1538, BTs [no square so blank], Transcripts at DCRS (WCSL) 1538-1753, IGI [green square], then two blank columns (for Soc of Gen., and Other Transcipts/Index, etc - so both blank), then last column for OPC has a green square.  [this is a chart, p16]

On p18, West Teignmouth is listed,  Here we learn: PRs 1706, BTs green square, Transcripts at DCRS, etc is blank [no dates so no trans.], IGI [green square], then 3 blanks under final three columns same as prior two entries ].

Let’s back up and see if we can find out what these Devon Fam Hist Soc/Richard Grylls’s column headings mean.  On p4, we learn:

PRS = Parish Register Society; the yr in which the earliest deposited register starts [p4].
BT = Transcript of one year of a parish register sent to the bishop.
BTs green square = Bishops trans avail which cover earlier/missing yrs [p4].
WCSL = West County Studies Library, Exeter.
DCRS= Devon and Cornwall Record Soc, West Country Studies Library.
[abbreviation index p4]; we learn that start date may be of baptisms or burials rather than marriages.
OPC = Online Parish Clerk - An explanation follows that the OPC collects records for a parish and is willing to provide free look ups of info to serious researchers (as of Oct 2007).  Only 179 of the ancient 500+ parishes of Devonshire had a volunteer OPC, as of 2007.  These OPCs are not local Parish Council appointed Parish clerks.  See genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk etc...
IGI- marriages before 1754 only.  [?perhaps this means no baptisms or burials?]

On p3, Grylls tells us that the West Country Studies Library (WCSL), “which incorporates the library of the Devon and Cornwall Record Society (DCRS) to use which membership is required”.  Also we learn that microfiche copies of all surviving parish registers and Bishops Transcripts are held at DRO [p3]. The Society of Genealogists, London, is said to have a vast holding on Devon (but we had blanks above so not the best for this purpose).

Applying Pesket and Grylls, I look at the web (2013)  to find this important update, pasted here; our target items may prove to be in transition through c2014:

http://www.devon.gov.uk/localstudies
“***Please note that the Westcountry Studies Library [WCSL] in Castle Street, Exeter is now closed. The collections are moving to the Devon Heritage Centre, Great Moor House, Sowton." "The collections are moving to: Devon Heritage Centre, Great Moor House
, Sowton Business Park, Exeter EX2 7NL ENG. To arrange access to the Westcountry Studies collections: Email: westcountry.library@devon.gov.uk Tel: 01392 385233 (Tuesday - Friday 14:00 - 16:00). For more information visit, A New Future for Devon's Heritage or email devrec@devon.gov.uk   But caution: “Local Studies staff are no longer available for consultation at the Castle Street premises. Items which are currently held at Castle Street can be reserved and viewed at the Devon Heritage Centre during the usual open hours of Tuesday-Friday 10am-5pm on the condition that notice of two working days is given. Customers will be notified by telephone or email as soon as possible about the availability of items they have ordered. A maximum of 6 items can be reserved up to 1 week in advance. Requested items are held for 1 week but will be returned to the stack if not viewed within that time.” [http://www.devon.gov.uk/index/councildemocracy/record_office/dhcdevelop.htm]

Many times visiting archives, I have been thwarted so be forewarned. Ideally where it was 1983, 2007, is pointing to where it might be in 2013 -- or not.



UPDATE ON GRYLLS (2007), THANKS TO DEVON FHS!

“The booklet "A guide to the whereabouts of copies, transcripts and indexes of the original records" was compiled by Richard Grylls  and given to Devon FHS to publish [2007], as an aid to locate marriages before 1754. It did not attempt to do the same for baptisms or burials.” [20 Aug 2013 email to Dee Bardes from M. Selley of Devon FHS]

DEVONSHIRE ONLINE CLUES [still in progress]

http://www.teignheritage.org.uk/collections/research-your-history
Teign Heritage Center/Shaldon/Teignmouth

http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Stokeinteignhead/Stabb-Stokeinteignhead.html
Michael Steer/J. Stabb abstract on St. Andrew church, Some Old Devon Churchs
This source seems to be: Stabb, J., Some Old Devon Churches, Their Rood Screens, Pulpits, Fonts, Etc., Simpkin, Marshall, Hamilton, Kent, & Co., London, Vol. I, 1908; ibid., Vol. II, 1911; ibid., Vol. III, 1916.[http://www.wissensdrang.com/stabb133.htm#142]



Author, Richard Norman Cilley following author, Walter Goodwin Davis [still in progress]

        to be added, see Background, chronology-
        http://www.familytreedna.com/public/sealey/default.aspx




PART II:  Other books at Allen County Public Library, Ft. Wayne Indiana USA

Here I am continuing my research notes from Allen Co Pub Lib...

SEE AND SELE ARE SURNAMES FROM PLACE OF WORK

In Early Surnames of Devonshire from the Exchequer Subsidy Roll, by C.L’Estrange Ewen, 1947, of Paignton Devon, I find that See and Sele are two separate entries, in the surnames from place of residence or work.  Next to Sele, the author writes “perhaps sale, hall, shelter”.

On p295, Devon Household Accounts by Todd Grey, a Mr. ____ Selly is included. Dated 30 Sept 1652.  [no first name given]. I was unable to quickly construe this entry.



SEALE OF ANCIENT NORTHUMBRIA

In the index of Worthy, Vol 2, at Allen Co. Pub. Lib, I find:
Arms of Seale, i 367
Sele of Coffleet i 41
Sele Pedigree i 364
Rev R Serle ii 204 (also p205; this pertains to parish of Denbury, that a Rev Richard Serle MA who was instituted in 1642 was very soon ejected by the Puritans and replaced by a presbyterian named Bickle; says Serle died soon afterwards; this name has an R in it, Serle).  The source here is Devonshire Parishes, Vol 2 by Worthy, Gc942.35016 T717w v2,ACPL.

On p367, vol1, rather than a picture of the arms, there is a description.  But this is in the section, Parish of Dartmouth. A few pages earlier, Worthy tells us that “About the commencement of the 17th century a certain Robert Seale, of an ancient Northumbrian stock, a member of which had received a grant of arms from the Heralds’ College, 9th July 1599, came southward, and settled in Jersey, [ENG] where the Carterets, Seigneurs de St Owen, had long ‘flourished in much reputation’.  Thomas Seale, son of this Robert, m. Anne daughter of Sir Philip Carteret...”  Several pages of details are given.  Then at p367, we learn about the arms given “Or, a fesse between three wolves’ heads erased sa, etc.  Then the coat of Sir Henry Seale is described as being different slightly and detailed... So this is the reference to the Pedigree as shown in the index. I had hoped a giant chart was there...But see tie in to later find below.  Whether this is the same Carteret line dominant in founding Carteret Co of North Carolina should be researched, given the immigration of family groups.

So the last brief item, p41, was in Parish of Sheepstor.  Here John Elford m Jenny Crapthorne, and he was buried at Topsham, 26 Mar 1732.  One of his daughters, Jenny m. Thomas Seal, of Coffleet.  Further details are given on the Elfords, but not the Seal line.


SEALE OF VIRGINIA

Although out of time to look through the Seale books, there were many of them, ACPL-- I note that a Wm Seale immigrated to VA in 1656. [The Seale family of Old Virginia, by Deborah A Sprouse, Pub by Edgewood Press, Edgewood MD, c1981 by Deborah A. Sprouse (mother of Tracy Alma, as shown on dedication page).

William Seale, son of the immigrant Wm Seale, m widow, Eliz ? Markham, widow of Lewis Markham of Richmond co. [p4].  An Anthony Seale of Lancaster, Old Rappah. and Essex Co VA also falls in this book. A discussion of the Coat of arms granted to Thomas Seale, by Queen Eliz I of Eng on 9 Jul 1599 [pvi], along with a picture of it (wolf heads?) , is then followed by “There is a distinct possibility the William Seale who immigrated to the Colony of Virginia was a close relative of this Thomas Seale. “ [So cross reference back to my coat of arms notes]  The author also tells us that there were Seale surnames in early Lancaster and Northumberland counties in Eng.


INPUT NEEDED WITH SOURCES: Could these lines of Seale of VA tie back to Northumberland ENG?  Who can add insights here? Please write or phone.



JOSEPH SEELYE OF GENESSEE NY

A slim book, The Seelye Centennial, preserves a paper, 28 Aug 1915, delivered on the migration of Joseph Seelye and family into Genesee county.  Honorable Alfred Seelye Roe was the author.  Wasn’t I just chatting with Karen Hadley at the reunion about her Seeley line of Genesee Co NY?   On the first page we learn that Demarcus Holmes passed over his interests to Joseph Seelye, a native of Kingsbury Wash Co NY.  I learn that Nathaniel’s son John, father of Benjamin, bought 23,000 acres in area of Lake George NY, then Albany Co, now Warren/Washington.  But Karen believes her line points to an Obadiah line, rather than a Nathaniel line.


ALLEGIANCE TO BRITISH ROOTS, NEW BRUNSWICK CANADA

On pg ii, the United Empire Loyalists are listed as: Benjamin, Ebenezer, Ephraim, Ezekiel, Justus, Seth, and other (see below).  This is the table of contents/index page so more info is included. This book is by Harold N Fanjoy, Wallace Errol Seely (son of Edwin Bayard Seely), and CG “Hap Ward. The title, The Seely’s of New Brunswick, First Editn., 1992, Ronalds Printing, St. John NB. No copyright notice found.  This project began 1988.

On p733, Seely’s of New Brunswick by Fanjoy et al, three other Loyalists are noted from Esther Clark Wright’s, The Loyalists of New Brunswick book:

1. Gideon Seeley, who came with Delancey’s Brigade;
2. Joseph Seely, from Conn., who received a grant of land in Carleton (West St. John);
3. Michael Seely, who received a grant in Beaver Harbour, Charlotte Co; later took up land in St. George. 

So, above  are nine named Seely men who may be tough to track. Do I have YDNA from NB?

One 1993 newsletter, Seeleys of New Brunswick (first published in 1992), editor, Dennis G Seeley, RR 1, Saint Martins NB EOG 2ZO, 506/833-4588. Here a letter regarding a planned trip to Bluntisham, mentioned another important Seeley village, Great Gransden--where Seeleys lived etc in 1500s [letter from James Bolles, Dir, Fam Soc Tours, Norwalk CT re 1994 tour].

One Ralph Seeley of Langdon, North Dakota, a descendant of Ezekiel Seeley, UE of Blissville ,NB wrote that his grandfather Arnold Seeley, was one of earliest settlers in Cavalier Co ND.  Looks like he wrote book on Seeleys of NB or donated a book. [p13, Newsletter Num1, Jan 1993, v2]. Is this the author, Ralph M. Seeley?

I enjoyed this explanation which showed an early Obadiah Gilbert name in the Nathaniel line: Nathaniel, bapt 16 Sep 1627, St Stephens Church, Coleman St., London; died 19 Dec 1675 Kingston Co Rhode Isl, Great Swamp Fight; m. 1 6 Oct 1649, Mary Turney [not Turner] bp 16 Sep 1631; d p1674, she being dau of Benjamin Turney and Mary Bateman; m2 1674 Mrs Eliz (Burr) (Olmstead) Gilbert, widow of 1. Nehemiah Olmstead and 2. Obadiah Gilbert; dau of John Burr.  So nee Elizabeth BURR.  [p26, The Seely’s of New Brunswick, 1992]

Back on p17, a paper “The London of Robert Seely” by Emery Fanjoy was written.  Here he described visiting in 1958, at age 23 yrs, St Stephens Church on Coleman Street.  He says that he knew from his grandfather, Walter Leslie Seely’s research of Robert’s marriage and his two sons baptisms there [p17].  Then Emery tells us that he saw the remains of the walls of the church, Coleman St., two blocks away from The Guildhall Lib., London, which held the records of St Stephen (following the church’s destruction due to the bombing of the city by the Germans in 1940) [p18].  He describes that the marriage of Robert to Mary Mason, 15 Dec 1626 was neatly recorded and easily read.  “The baptisms on Nathaniel in 1627 and Obadiah in 1629 were likewise easily found.” [p18, but use caution with Obadiah].  Then he tells us that the church foundation was laid, 1184-1204 and that the building was abt 75 ft by 35 ft, small. He says it was destroyed in 1666 in the Great Fire, and rebuilt on same site. 

On pg 20, Obadiah bapt 16 Sep 1629 m Mary ANGELL Miller. [Use caution with Obadiah Seeley]

But he adds that John Davenport (1597/1670) a one time rector at St Stephen led a party of emigrants to America in 1637 and founded New Haven.  “He would surely have met Robert in both places.” [p18-19, Fanjoy].

[end of Dee's Working Paper, this version, pasted 22 Aug 2013- yes, please submit additions and corrections, or phone!]