CILLEY SEALY YDNA PROJECT- Background

Administrators

Surnames

Celley, Cielly, Cillay, Cilley, Sealey, Sealy, Seela, Seeley, Seely, Seelye, Selley, Sulley, Sully

Background

2013-2015 Cilley Sealy YDNA Project

Fall 2013-2015 HomePage of
Dee & Richard's Cilley Sealy DNA Project
using National Genographic's Geno 2.0 (haplogroup Terminal SNPs) & ftdna YDNA STR results

[Yes, owners of ancestry.com YDNA results should pay to Transfer to ftdna lab ASAP and also preferably pay to Upgrade -- to enable your matches! Complete this task prior to about end of Sept 2014 or risk loss of your results due to ancestry.com's revised (and odd) new policies --drastic changes there. This is not a joke. Contact ancestry.com for further info.]
Caution- Old webpages live on: We are no longer using the pre-Aug. 2013 pages at Worldfamilies website, so those have been earmarked as 2012; contractor, Terry Barton has indicated that his company's website, Worldfamilies, must be continued in the loop- and he will continue to have full and tracking privileges. Former SGS outside paid consultant Ken McCrea also has an old webpage still posted, which should also be revised to direct inquiries here.   Please write or phone me, Dee Bardes, who has been appointed the new project admin, as of August 2013.  Yes please Add/Join Project (sign in with kit and password), submit research, etc.  Your help and input are needed.  Thanks! Let's chat via phone soon, so send your telephone number please.

PARTIAL CHRONOLOGY:


 Sept 2014- Prior to the Genforum surname message boards closing forever (will survive as read-only archival instead), I will hope to encourage other Cilley males to test, via posting of this info below:

Ala Carte DNA:  The trend towards testing one's terminal SNP is both here, and coming.  Thanks to author, Richard Cilley's testing (Geno 2.0 & YDNA 67 markers), and Dain Cilley's testing thanks to Pauline's sponsorship (YDNA 67 markers)--and their matches I can advise men with the surname of Cilley who claim descent via a YDNA line connected with General Joseph Cilley, to please test CTS4065 (downstream of DF27) This SNP testing can be done ala carte, meaning that you order (or try to order) the precise SNP that you believe you may claim; or you order the downstream SNPs from the branch of your haplogroup that has been paid tested by you/estimated/tested by a DNA cousin etc. 

As you scan the R1b-DF27 draft trees, this Cilley SNP may be...roughly... positioned here (2013/2014), but this is just to point you in the right direction:

P312/S116+>DF27+>Z196+>Z295+>CTS4065

 

When we go to the Krahn's ala carte YDNA lab, YSEQ, we learn that this SNP costs $35.00:

http://shop.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=131

YSEQ

"CTS4065

HG19Position:ChrY:15372323..15372323
Ancestral: A
Derived: C
Reference: Chris Tyler-Smith (2011)
ISOGG Haplogroup: R1b (not listed)
Comments: Syn. with CTS4065; downstream Z210
Forward Primer: Z2355_F
Reverse Primer: Z2355_R"

[Yseq page linked above]

 

The Ftdna phone rep indicated that you need a YDNA 12 marker minimum test, prior to ftdna being able to run an advanced ala carte test, so you can't just order the SNP by itself from ftdna. For someone like Dain whohas an existing 67 marker match, he can sign in, and go to the blue upgrade button. Then Advanced Tests shows up, with a Buy Now blue button. Then pick Test Type = SNP, then look for your desired Marker/SNP. If you type in 4065,then CTS4065 will show up for $39.00. Then pick Add it to your cart, etc.

Hope this helps! Further info should be learned from the labs, the online blogs (Roberta Estes) or your R1b haplogroup admin(s).

DBardes, Cilley Sealy DNA Project Admin.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/sealey/

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/sealey/default.aspx?section=ysnp

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/sealey/default.aspx?section=ycolorized

Any input?  I will try to correct errors prior to posting.  Thanks. Please post your own messages prior to the end of Sept closing down of genforum (and expiration of ancestry YDNA kits et al).


6 Sept 2014- Congrats to Mr. Seal, Kit #26575 for progressing along to the Big Y DNA test!  This will further narrow down his I-M253 Terminal SNP.  October Results Expected.
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/sealey/default.aspx?section=ysnp
See Confirmed SNPs: M170+, M253+, M258+, M307+, P38+, P19+, P30+, P37-, M161-, L22-, P109-, P259-, M72-, M26-, M21-, M223-, M227-
Also see Seals DNA Project, ftdna. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/seals/default.aspx?section=ycolorized

July/August 2014-Problems ensued with Teignmouth ENG YDNA kit-- it is unclear what transpired or not abroad...but all is lost.

July/August 2014- Finally spoke to Walt Seelye and explained the ancestry.com problem more fully, re: permanent erasure of YDNA and MtDNA results. Unknown if he had any luck, but no kits have transferred in here.  Tried writing/phoning some others in hopes of salvaging some remainders, but no hope for easy answers.

13 July 2014- I telephoned Pauline Cilley Gamer, who describes herself as the Cilley publicity director.  We had a great chat about an early Count Cilli and a man named Cilli who reached her many years ago who claimed that lineage--wonder if he is still around to give YDNA?  Pauline is going to try to also find Cilley, Cillay men whose YDNA kit results will soon be erased from ancestry.com (not ones on my, Dee's colorful matrix at this ftdna hosted site). Pauline also hoped that Arthur Cilley, a lawyer, Danbury, CT would test his YDNA to define the General Joseph Cilley line (to align with Pauline's Cutting Cilley line).

13 July 2014- I telephoned Walt Seelye, Black Hawk CO today but spoke instead to his wife. I explained to her the urgency of transferring all of the ancestry.com YDNA kits and other labs' kits prior to the Sept 2014 elimination of all YDNA results, from various labs, due to ancestry.com's change in policies.  I met with Walt back at the SGS reunion in Michigan but have not had luck hearing from him since then--so hope the Seeley and Cilley men (including Cal Cillay) who have tested read this- and hurry and transfer their YDNA before the results disappear forever.  Contact ancestry.com for further info and see ftdna transfer policies, upgrades/matching, costs, etc. Please provide detail of your lineage, type of kit, phone number etc on any Join Request/Transfer Request to Cilley Sealy DNA Project. Its now or never as they say!

3 July 2014- Horrible research news today- Briefly, the results for Geno 2.0 kit which I sponsored for a male, Mr. ______ Sealey of Teignmouth, Devon ENG finally came out-- but my hope for an R1b haplogroup result which aligned with General Joseph Cilley's line was crushed.  Geno2.0 delivered instead an I-M223 haplo which used to be referred to as I2b1, but which old nomenclature has been altered - it seems- to read I2c2a (in ftdna SNP Report). In short I-M223, which doesn't match General Cilley's line nor any other entry in my Cilley Sealy DNA Project--so no serendipity either to pass along.  It was Mr. _______ Sealey's daughter who was to have her father swab in hopes of aligning with us, so thanks to Barbara in Teignmouth!  At the point that I receive details on her family's Teignmouth heritage which the lab has now bolstered, I will try to post some paper trail highlights-- but don't ask yet, since I do not have anything.  I have added the I-M223 results into that haplo project so they should be delighted, but for us--it was a total loss. I am hoping her dad did not instead give the swab kit to the mailman!

If you try to find this Teignmouth kit on the YDNA colorized matrix, it will not show up--- because in Geno 2.0 they (Natl Geographic) no longer gives 12 markers, STR/YDNA to go into the matrix (like they did in Geno 1.0); this is very upsetting as well...but if you instead want to view the report where it does show up-- go to Cilley Sealy DNA Project, then choose the tab,YDNA Results--then choose SNP- then you will be at Cilley Sealy DNA Project-Y-DNA SNP Report ---- I will try to paste the SNPs here to help readers---  So there in my ftdna project reports (Cilley not Poole), the Teignmouth results show up as Kit  #N126986 (different than the Geno2.0 kit number/username etc)

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/sealey/
Background page- do ignore old/now wrong spelling of link name- we have to live with this

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/sealey/default.aspx?section=ycolorized
(will not be in here but yes we need matches and others to test so your results show here)

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/sealey/default.aspx?section=ysnp
Yes- Look in this matrix under haplogroup columns and you will see this entry:


N126986    Sealey of Teignmouth ENG    I2c2a                      CTS10058+, CTS10125+, CTS10362+, CTS109+, CTS11358+, CTS11441+, CTS11575+, CTS11726+, CTS125+, CTS12632+, CTS1996+, CTS2193+, CTS2514+, CTS2536+, CTS3296+, CTS3326+, CTS3331+, CTS3431+, CTS3517+, CTS3536+, CTS3654+, CTS3662+, CTS3868+, CTS3996+, CTS4039+, CTS4088+, CTS429+, CTS4314+, CTS4364+, CTS4368+, CTS4443+, CTS4740+, CTS4848+, CTS4982+, CTS5286+, CTS5318+, CTS5457+, CTS5532+, CTS5650+, CTS5727+, CTS5908+, CTS6135+, CTS6265+, CTS6331+, CTS6383+, CTS674+, CTS6800+, CTS6907+, CTS6932+, CTS7329+, CTS7331+, CTS7502+, CTS7831+, CTS7865+, CTS7922+, CTS7933+, CTS8243+, CTS8333+, CTS8345+, CTS8420+, CTS8449+, CTS88+, CTS8876+, CTS8901+, CTS8980+, CTS9240+, CTS9264+, CTS9266+, CTS9482+, CTS9782+, CTS9828+, F1046+, F1209+, F1302+, F1320+, F1329+, F1450+, F1460+, F1704+, F1714+, F1753+, F1767+, F2048+, F2075+, F2142+, F2155+, F2302+, F2345+, F2366+, F2402+, F2587+, F2688+, F2710+, F2794+, F2837+, F2985+, F2993+, F3111+, F3136+, F3335+, F3368+, F3402+, F3556+, F3692+, F4188+, F719+, F922+, L132+, L15+, L16+, L34+, L35+, L350+, L37+, L403+, L41+, L460+, L468+, L470+, L498+, L578+, L59+, L68+, L748+, L751+, L755+, L756+, L758+, L772+, L800+, M139+, M168+, M170+, M223+, M235+, M294+, M42+, M89+, M94+, P123+, P124+, P126+, P127+, P130+, P135+, P136+, P138+, P14+, P141+, P145+, P146+, P148+, P151+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P166+, P187+, P214+, P215+, P216+, P217+, P219+, P220+, P221+, P222+, P223+, PF1016+, PF1029+, PF1031+, PF1040+, PF1046+, PF1061+, PF1092+, PF1097+, PF110+, PF1203+, PF1269+, PF1276+, PF192+, PF210+, PF212+, PF223+, PF234+, PF258+, PF2591+, PF2593+, PF2599+, PF2608+, PF2611+, PF2615+, PF2624+, PF263+, PF2643+, PF272+, PF2745+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2749+, PF2770+, PF278+, PF292+, PF316+, PF325+, PF342+, PF3515+, PF3517+, PF3518+, PF3534+, PF3560+, PF3561+, PF3562+, PF3573+, PF3574+, PF3578+, PF3586+, PF3588+, PF3590+, PF3594+, PF3595+, PF3596+, PF3600+, PF3604+, PF3605+, PF3607+, PF3611+, PF3612+, PF3616+, PF3618+, PF3621+, PF3623+, PF3625+, PF3626+, PF3634+, PF3639+, PF3640+, PF3641+, PF3642+, PF3644+, PF3651+, PF3652+, PF3654+, PF3657+, PF3658+, PF3660+, PF3664+, PF3666+, PF3667+, PF3669+, PF3671+, PF3672+, PF3675+, PF3677+, PF3686+, PF3694+, PF3780+, PF3798+, PF3800+, PF3801+, PF3802+, PF3804+, PF3806+, PF3807+, PF3809+, PF3811+, PF3812+, PF3814+, PF3815+, PF3819+, PF3820+, PF3822+, PF3836+, PF3837+, PF3849+, PF3876+, PF500+, PF667+, PF719+, PF725+, PF779+, PF796+, PF803+, PF815+, PF821+, PF840+, PF844+, PF892+, PF937+, PF951+, PF954+, PF970+, V186+, V189+, V205+, V52+, V9+, YSC0000056+, YSC0000256+, YSC0000260+, YSC0000265+, YSC0000267+, YSC0000272+, YSC0000280+, YSC0000281+, YSC0000298+, YSC0000300+, Z186+, Z77+

Compare this above against the kit for Richard Cilley in Maine, USA which will show as:
N125305       Cilley/Sealy, Devonshire/Somersetshire ENG c1600       R1b1a1a1a1a3b1a2

No match! Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!



29 May 2014- Silverton Devon ENG YDNA Alignment:
The YDNA results for an important match out of Devon ENG have not as yet been added into the Cilley Sealy DNA Project, but this match properly belongs in my pink group; so since I have been unsuccessful in requesting that the kit’s results be displayed in the matrix, I will paste the Silverton Devon ENG results next to the Cutting Cilley results, here in this chronology:

Note that the R-P312 estimated haplo displays in red (not paid tested):

Kit #51483     Thomas Selley m.1738 Silverton, Devon ENG     R-P312    

13     24     14     11     11-14     12     12     12     13     13     29     16     10-10     11    
        11     25     14     18     30     15-15-16-17          

Compare this Silverton ENG YDNA next to Rockingham, New Hampshire, USA YDNA:

Kit #254992     Capt. Cutting Cilley(1738/1825), brother of General Joseph Cilley    R-P312    

13     24     14     11     11-14     12     12     12     13     13     29     16     10-10     11

       11     25     14     18     30     15-15-17-17    

11     10     19-23     15     15     18     17     37-37     12     11      





28 May 2014- Big haplogroup news!  Thanks to Maine author, Richard Norman Cilley's haplogroup SNP results, Geno 2.0, the Cilley Sealy DNA Project is pleased to announce that the terminal SNP for the Cutting Cilley/General Joseph Cilley, Nottingham, New Hampshire line (Isle of Shoals Sealy immigrants) is R-CTS4065; this R1b SNP is downstream from DF27. It also seems to be referred to as C4065; as such, Richard's results have been added into the respective haplogroup projects (including R-DF27)  in hopes that more YDNA results from Somerset/Devonshire ENG will align with his terminal SNP; to see Richard's SNPs tested, look under Cilley Sealy DNA Project>Genetic Reports>YDNA SNP, Kit N125305, where you will see this extensive list of SNPs tested-- or just read below:

R-CTS4065     ==               CTS10168+, CTS10362+, CTS10834+, CTS109+, CTS11358+, CTS11468+, CTS11575+, CTS11726+, CTS11985+, CTS12478+, CTS125+, CTS12632+, CTS1996+, CTS2134+, CTS2664+, CTS3063+, CTS3135+, CTS3331+, CTS3358+, CTS3431+, CTS3536+, CTS3575+, CTS3654+, CTS3662+, CTS3868+, CTS3996+, CTS4065+, CTS4244+, CTS4364+, CTS4368+, CTS4437+, CTS4443+, CTS4740+, CTS5318+, CTS5457+, CTS5532+, CTS5577+, CTS5884+, CTS6135+, CTS623+, CTS6383+, CTS6800+, CTS6907+, CTS7400+, CTS7659+, CTS7922+, CTS7933+, CTS8243+, CTS8591+, CTS8665+, CTS8728+, CTS8980+, CTS9828+, F1046+, F115+, F1209+, F1302+, F1320+, F1329+, F1704+, F1714+, F1753+, F1767+, F1794+, F180+, F2048+, F2075+, F211+, F2142+, F2155+, F2302+, F2402+, F2587+, F2688+, F2710+, F2837+, F29+, F295+, F2985+, F2993+, F3111+, F313+, F3136+, F33+, F332+, F3335+, F344+, F3556+, F356+, F359+, F3692+, F378+, F4+, F47+, F506+, F556+, F63+, F640+, F647+, F652+, F671+, F719+, F82+, F83+, F93+, L11+, L132+, L15+, L150+, L151+, L16+, L23+, L265+, L278+, L350+, L388+, L389+, L407+, L468+, L470+, L471+, L478+, L482+, L483+, L498+, L500+, L502+, L506+, L51+, L52+, L585+, L721+, L747+, L752+, L754+, L761+, L768+, L773+, L774+, L779+, L82+, M139+, M168+, M207+, M235+, M294+, M343+, M415+, M42+, M45+, M526+, M89+, M94+, P128+, P131+, P132+, P135+, P136+, P138+, P14+, P141+, P145+, P146+, P148+, P151+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P166+, P187+, P207+, P225+, P226+, P228+, P229+, P230+, P232+, P233+, P235+, P236+, P237+, P238+, P240+, P242+, P243+, P244+, P245+, P280+, P281+, P282+, P283+, P284+, P285+, P286+, P295+, P297+, P310+, PAGES00083+, PF1016+, PF1029+, PF1031+, PF1040+, PF1046+, PF1061+, PF1092+, PF1097+, PF110+, PF1203+, PF1269+, PF1276+, PF192+, PF210+, PF212+, PF223+, PF234+, PF258+, PF2591+, PF2593+, PF2599+, PF2608+, PF2611+, PF2615+, PF2624+, PF263+, PF2643+, PF272+, PF2745+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2749+, PF2770+, PF278+, PF292+, PF316+, PF325+, PF342+, PF500+, PF5465+, PF5466+, PF5468+, PF5471+, PF5851+, PF5853+, PF5854+, PF5865+, PF5869+, PF5871+, PF5882+, PF5886+, PF5887+, PF5888+, PF5953+, PF5956+, PF5957+, PF5964+, PF5965+, PF5982+, PF6063+, PF6091+, PF6145+, PF6246+, PF6249+, PF6250+, PF6263+, PF6265+, PF6270+, PF6271+, PF6272+, PF6404+, PF6409+, PF6411+, PF6424+, PF6425+, PF6430+, PF6432+, PF6434+, PF6438+, PF6443+, PF6463+, PF6494+, PF6495+, PF6498+, PF6500+, PF6506+, PF6507+, PF6509+, PF6524+, PF667+, PF719+, PF725+, PF779+, PF796+, PF803+, PF815+, PF821+, PF840+, PF844+, PF892+, PF937+, PF951+, PF954+, PF970+, s10+, s3+, V186+, V189+, V205+, V52+, V9+, YSC0000067+, YSC0000072+, YSC0000075+, YSC0000082+, YSC0000166+, YSC0000176+, YSC0000179+, YSC0000182+, YSC0000186+, YSC0000191+, YSC0000194+, YSC0000201+, YSC0000203+, YSC0000205+, YSC0000207+, YSC0000213+, YSC0000219+, YSC0000224+, YSC0000225+, YSC0000227+, YSC0000230+, YSC0000232+, YSC0000233+, YSC0000251+, YSC0000269+, YSC0000270+, YSC0000279+, YSC0000288+, YSC0000294+, Z195+, Z210+, Z215+, Z220+, Z268+, Z274+, Z295+
[end of paste of Geno 2.0 tests for which Richard tested positive]

It is reasonably projected that Richard's YDNA STRs would align with our pink group, see colorized YDNA matrix-- but it does not seem that any STR results exist to add here... Perhaps someone would like to sponsor his YDNA? Yes I phoned the ftdna lab and confirmed that Geno 2.0 is no longer testing or returning 12 marker YDNA results, like they did with all Geno 1.0 tests-- so this is quite disappointing; so one still has to buy YDNA markers, preferably 67 markers or more, after Geno 2.0 results to be added into the YDNA matrix.

May 2014: Updated group names to coincide with terminal SNPs.  Moved Kellum to different group due to R-L23 terminal SNP. Will the terminal SNPs help differentiate our lines...

May 2014: Need close YDNA matches to join Cilley Sealy DNA Project, so that I can add your numbers into colorful matrix.  Am still waiting for close match from Devon ENG to add his kit-- sent multiple emails; New invitation sent to  Phillip Seelinger. Also notice another outstanding invitation on Hendrick Sellen line, via Ronda Sells sent Sept 2013.  Yes please sign on, and add your kit--the wording from the lab pasted on the bottom of my notes confuses matter, since it seems to suggest that you need to buy another kit-- if you follow the link, you will see that is untrue, you need to join the kit you already own.

March 2014:  Started communications across the pond to define Teignmouth YDNA; hoping for match with General Joseph Cilley pink group (see matrix). Very exciting effort to align Devon/Somerset ENG roots.

Dec 2013-May 2014:  Still waiting for lab to complete author, Richard Norman Cilley's Geno 2.0 results to define terminal SNP haplogroup for General Joseph Cilley, pink group.  Scrape/sample needed to be redone, so second sample sent to lab. We are hoping for definitive results by summer 2014.

3 Dec 2013: Nic Noyes, Maine His Soc followed up via phone with regards to Blaisdell/Sealy mss or holdings in their Maine His Soc collections.  Although he graciously looked through many items, a detailed investigation would require a paid research project to be initiated.  No Devon mss were readily apparent, but yes they do hold marriage registers for Devon and some extensive Blaisdell family papers.  So thanks Nic!

Oct-Nov 2013:  Thankfully author Norman Cilley agreed to join the Cilley Sealy DNA Project as a co-administrator!  This is terrific!  Thanks to Richard in Maine!  Men with YDNA matches via ftdna, Natl Geno 2.0, ancestry or other labs, all need to add/transfer the project asap and convert results (and add more markers) if necessary.

14 Sept 2013: Updated WorldFamilies page to reflect ReDirecting, added links, etc.  Still need Selley match of Devonshire to Add Cilley Sealy Project.  See
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Devon/default.aspx?section=ycolorized
See the Thomas Selley, Silverton, Devon match in Devon matrix, R1b1a2 but no Deep SNP haplo test;  Kit # 51483, Selley. This Kit only has 25 markers and needs more!

13 Sept 2013:  Wrote to Nicholas Noyes, Maine Hist Soc re Walter Goodwin Davis papers.

13 Sept 2013:  Left voice mail for Cal Cillay, Bethesda MD requesting a transfer of his ancestry.com YDNA results into this Cilley Sealy DNA Project; his YDNA is projected to match my pink group of Devonshire>Isles of Shoal. One Cal Cillay, Ysearch User ID 6EAK8 posted on Ysearch that his descent from Andrew Sealy (1597/1664) is: “Dwight[10] CILLEY, Erastus H.[9], Erastus[8], Samuel[7], Benjamin[6], John[5], Benjamin[4], Benoni[3], Thomas[2] SEALEY, Andrew[1] SEALY, Richard SEALY”.

11 Sept 2013: Posted Table I, Variations of Sully, by W. John Sully, on Goals page.

11 Sept 2013:  Posted version 1.0 of Dee's Working Paper re Somerset on Goals page of Cilley Sealy DNA Project.

Sept 2013:  Great News-- Author Richard Norman Cilley has agreed to publish more of his 2006 version of his 1984/1978 Cilley book, pointing to Devonshire roots for the Cutting Cilley line.  Please distribute a few copies to Somerset and Devonshire! Hopefully he will soon test with National Genographic Project 2.0 to define the deep SNP haplogroup of the Cutting Cilley line.

September 2013:  Big MATCH!  Hurray!  Sully of Somerset matched perfectly (so far) with Cilley of Isles of Shoal.  Pink Group is growing! Who can tie Somerset to Devonshire?

22 Aug 2013:  Posted version 1.0 of Dee's Working Paper re Devonshire research at Allen Co Pub Library on Goals page of Cilley Sealy DNA Project.  Yes, your Input is sought! This crowd sourcing project relies on participation and support from everyone!

20 Aug 2013:  Purchased Gen Dict of Maine and New Hampshire, via abebooks.  Two of the three authors are the key instrumental persons who addressed the Devonshire roots for the Cilley line; Sybil Noyes and Walter Goodwin Davis--with Charles Libby, the third author, having a more erratic or sporadic involvement, despite his name being associated with the green hardback book. (See 1939 Preface by Walter Goodwin Davis). Remember that Richard Norman Cilley in his books, followed the research of Walter, and Sybil was Walter's assistant, who later carried on and published their detailed research. Page 142 includes Cilley; page 616,617 Sealy and Searle. Walter explains that it was a 20 year project, and that it was published 1928-1939 originally in five parts; so this timing coincides with his definitive 1931 article.

18 Aug 2013  Added Shaldon/ Sheldon of Devonshire as new surnames due to 25 marker matches with Cilley-ancient heritage overlapping?; Added Sheldon into pink grp, also Cilley and Sheldon into the huge R1b- All subgroups project.  Alignment in their matrix should tell us more.  Shared draft of Dee's Devonshire research at ACPL, work in progress, to one Sheldon, and also heard back from Sheldon Proj Admin.  Sheldon YDNA matrix not on web, so matches should sign onto their kits, then Join project/Join Request. The Join Authorization process is not working smoothly so please forgive hurdles (outside of my control). Out of date welcome letters (not from me) have gone out, so I still need to correct this--apologies to all! There is sooo much to do--yes all of your help is needed!

16 Aug 2013:  Dee switched homepage and matrix from WorldFamilies to Family Tree DNA lab website. Amended both pages, updated members' oldest ancestor data, wrote matches requesting they join project, identified deceased matches, wrote with lab, etc.

14 Aug 2013:  Dee posted the below info on the Join Request page: Devonshire & Somerset R1b YDNA needed! Over the past fourteen years, the Seeley Genealogical Society (SGS), headquartered at the Seelye Research Center, Abilene, Kansas (with 501(c)(3) status pending) has distinguished the R1b R-L21+ YDNA of the Captain Nathaniel Seeley (1627/1675) line away from that of the R1b R-M269/L-150? Obadiah Seeley(1614 Birmingham, ENG/1657 Stamford, Conn. USA) line; this finding of a YDNA mismatch ostensibly defeats former theories that Nathaniel and Obadiah were both sons of Lt. Robert Seely, b.1602, Bluntisham, Huntingdonshire ENG, d.bef 11 Oct 1667 New York City, NY. Founded c1999 by Obadiah's descendant, Wesley "Wes" A. Waring, of Maple Grove, Minnesota, the SGS DNA Project began with 10 marker YDNA tests from Oxford Ancestors. Wes was aided, c2000, by consultant Fred Hart, to tackle the thorny issue of gathering more paper trail proof, due to mutations emerging. Later c2005-2008, consultant, Dr. Kenneth McCrea, of Pennsylvania was retained to develop a Standard Profile for Obadiah and Nathaniel, based on tests taken prior to 2008. After the conclusion of Dr. McCrea's work, James Ray "Jim" Seeley, of Churchville, VA, a Nathaniel descendant and recent President of SGS championed and committed further SGS time and resources to the YDNA effort, c2008-2011. In 2012, Walter Clark Seeley, a busy volunteer fire fighter of Black Forest, Colorado, and descendant of Nathaniel, agreed to manage SGS's anonymous matrix; but communication and updates to the public lab matrix were not occurring (since this was not SGS's task or focus). Prior to the August 2013 reunion, Grand Rapids, Michigan, longtime Poole DNA Project Administrator, Dee Bardes (who is writing this) a descendent of General Joseph Cilley's son, Jonathan Cilley, Mayflower wife Dorcas Butler began to examine the ftdna and worldfamilies websites for Cilley and Sealy results. Dee was stunned to find that the General's YDNA pattern (R-P312?) had still not been fully defined; then she learned that ISOGG pioneer, Kenneth "Kenny" G. Hedgpeth, the lab's former project administrator, b. 1958, had sadly passed away 3 June 2011, and a new administrator was sought; as such, Dee has agreed to help broaden, update, and improve ftdna lab's project. But progress will require international help! The published heritage of General Joseph Cilley (1734/1799) of Nottingham, New Hampshire is impacted by these results, including that by authors: Jonathan Prince Cilley, Annie Morse Cilley of Maine, Wilfred Hamilton Hall of New Hampshire (2012 mss). If you have already swabbed your cheek cells with any lab, or if you would like to swab, please submit a Join Request to Dee with details. Include your earliest research, phone number, address, goals and lineage info please.  [updates to this on the Join Req page will not be transferred into this archival list].

13 Aug 2013: Dee changed name from Sealey to Cilley Sealy to reflect focus on resolving English heritage, c1500-1600s. Devonshire is main focus, given SGS' extensive work on Huntingdonshire lineage.

Aug 2013  Spoke with biology school teacher,Heather Cilley, Enfield CT via phone re need for, Mark Cilley, of The Cilley Pages, online, to do YDNA. Wrote and phoned other Seeley/Cilley sponsors, participants to try to sort out who is whom; added insight into internal notes on lab’s system.

Aug 2013:  Dee researched Devonshire Sealy/Cilley and other lines at Allen County Public Library, Ft. Wayne, IN.  Followed up with research sponsor, Pauline Cilley Gamer; author, Richard Norman Cilley, etc.  Purchased Walter Goodwin Davis's c1956 book, Ancestry of Nicholas Davis, re Devonshire, as cited as source by Richard Norman Cilley now of Maine (formerly Wisconsin). Spoke with author, Richard Norman Cilley and sent him working draft of notes from that conversation-- it was Richard who identified the Devonshire roots for Cilley, citing his sources etc.  Others have advanced Huntingdonshire roots it seems, which the R1b YDNA results have...

Aug 2013:  Dee attended Seeley Genealogical Society Internatnl Reunion, Grand Rapids Michigan and gave presentation with Walter Clark Seeley, re DNA. Honored founders of SGS's DNA effort, and recognized the many DNA participants present.

July 2013  Posted on genforum Cilley mess bd re need for Cilley males to scrape cheek cells.

July 2013  Received informative mss from my Cilley/Scott cousins/author Wilfred Hamilton Hall (who is nicknamed Bill) of New Hampshire; he delivered formal presentation(s) on General Joseph Cilley's military service, along with his manuscript.  Bill's paper is now filed in several major New Hampshire repositories, unnamed. For his early heritage section he relies on Jonathan Prince Cilley's book.

June 2013:  Dee contracted for transcription of Emily Cilley Poole Diary, mss. Potential epub or print version, say 2014-2015?

2011-2013:  Established findagrave lineage for Jonathan Cilley, wife Dorcas Butler Cilley. They came to the west side of what is now Cincinnati in 1802, before Ohio became a state.  Wrote and spoke to close and distant Cilley cousins regarding tombstone errors, repair and replacement issues, Hedges Cemetery, Colerain Township, Hamilton County, Ohio, USA and Venice Cemetery, Ross Township, Butler County, Ohio.  Researched, added photos, took photos, added links, requested links, etc. Major effort to support publication of Emily Cilley Poole's Diary.

c2005-2009  Proved Dorcas Butler Cilley heritage, Mayflower Soc of Desc, Ohio.  Became Life Member of Mayflower Soc., via her line.  About 4 years of specific research despite great grandmother’s membership on this line. Yes, one is required to reprove each item with primary documentation for both sides of line (husband and wife) and each generation.  Did all paperwork for several others for them to also join on Dorcas's heritage.

bef 2008  Purchased two volumes of author, Annie Morse Cilley of Maine, extensive genealogy workbooks on Cilley heritage. Thick navy blue leather hard bound. 




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