The J-L24-Y-DNA Haplogroup Project - News

  • 26 Feb 2014 (16:30 PST): PROJECT UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 139.50 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462/DYS445 testing: 4.50 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for SNP testing: 46.00 USD,
    Reserved for J-L70 marker upgrades: 60.00 USD,
    Available funds: 0.00 USD.


    AAA donated $50 for general use.

    The first BIG Y DNA test results are due on 28 Feb 2014. Nine (9) project members have taken the BIG Y test and 3 project members the BIG Y AND the FGC tests so I look forward in comparing the results. We also look forward to greatly expanding our J-L24 Y-DNA Phylogenetic Tree in the months that follow.

    Currently FTDNA does not offer a Deep Clade test, except for the BIG Y test, to determine which branch of the Y-tree one belongs. A very low cost per SNP test is offered by National Geographic where over 12000 Y-SNPs are tested. Geno 2.0 will determine your primary placement in the J-L24 Y-tree with the added bonus that new branches may be revealed (new J-L24 SNPs may be revealed)! We recommend the Geno 2.0 test to all J-L24 project members. Please visit the National Geographic website. Your results can be transferred free of charge to FTDNA where you will be given full credit for all your SNPs.

    We are almost to our 5'th year of this project and we have made great progress in understanding the L24 branch the Y-chromosome tree and L25's numerous sub-branches. Thank you all for your help in this project!

    Additional News:
    The J2-L24(M530) Blog.
    The Haplogroup J2 Blog.
    Your Genetic Genealogist.

  • 23 Dec 2013 (20:20 PST): PROJECT UPDATE.

  • Happy Holidays and Happy New Year!


    We wish you the best in 2014!

    Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 245.50 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462/DYS445 testing: 4.50 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for SNP testing: 152.00 USD,
    Reserved for J-L70 marker upgrades: 60.00 USD,
    Available funds: 0.00 USD.


    AAA donated $50 for general use.

    The outstanding news is that FTDNA is now offering the BIG Y DNA test. It uses Next Gen Y sequencing as does Full Genomes Corp (FGC). BIG Y checks 25000 known Y-SNPs as compared to FGC which tests over 54000 Y-SNPs. BIG Y apparently does not check for Y-STRs (37, 67, or 111 marker sets) but FGC does. FTDNA claims the BIG Y provides 10 million base-pair coverage of the Y-chromosome but I believe FGC covers more than that. In any case FGC and FTDNA (BIG Y) are worth considering if you want the best available information on your Y-chromosome. There is no question in my opinion that you will learn, uncover, the deepest, and perhaps never before revealed, branches of the Y-tree with either of these tests. In my opinion FGC's test gives one more bang per buck but FTDNA's BIG Y costs about one half of the FGC test. Seven (7) project members have taken the BIG Y test and 4 project members the FGC test (including myself). BIG Y results will be released in mid-February 2014. We look forward to greatly expanding our J-L24 Y-DNA Phylogenetic Tree in the months that follow.

    Currently FTDNA does not offer a Deep Clade test, except for the BIG Y test, to determine which branch of the Y-tree one belongs. A very low cost per SNP test is offered by National Geographic where over 12000 Y-SNPs are tested. Geno 2.0 will determine your primary placement in the J-L24 Y-tree with the added bonus that new branches may be revealed (new J-L24 SNPs may be revealed)! We recommend the Geno 2.0 test to all J-L24 project members. Please visit the National Geographic website. Your results can be transferred free of charge to FTDNA where you will be given full credit for all your SNPs. Currently they are offering a 20% discount for Geno 2.0.

  • 23 Oct 2013 (07:45 PDT): PROJECT UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 768.50 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462/DYS445 testing: 4.50 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for Geno 2.0 testing: 675.00 USD,
    Reserved for J-L70 marker upgrades: 60.00 USD,
    Available funds: 0.00 USD.


    Ian donated $25 for Geno 2.0 testing.
    AAA donated $31 for general use.

    Our previous WTY fund is now reserved for Geno 2.0 testing or Geno 2.0 SNP testing to help us clarify the J-L24 Y-DNA Phylogenetic Tree. The boxes in yellow background were found via Geno 2.0 testing! Currently FTDNA does not offer a Deep Clade test to determine which branch of the Y-tree one belongs. A very low cost per SNP test is offered by National Geographic however where over 12000 Y-SNPs are tested at a cost of less than 2 cents per SNP. Geno 2.0 will determine your exact placement in the J-L24 Y-tree with the added bonus that new branches may be revealed (new J-L24 SNPs may be revealed)! We recommend the Geno 2.0 test to all J-L24 project members. Please visit the National Geographic Genographic website HERE. Your results can be transferred free of charge to FTDNA where you will be given full credit for all your SNPs.

    There is a new company offering full Y-chromosome sequencing: Full Genomes Corp(FGC). FGC sequences the full Y-chromosome at a coverage of 50x which is excellent and a big improvement over the 5x coverage provided by the very successful 1000 Genomes Project. The FGC price is very reasonable too so if you are considering doing a WTY test then I recommend looking instead into FGC's full Y-chromosome test. Several (4 at this time) J-L24-Y-DNA project members are undertaking the FGC test. One J-L70 result is in with 50 new (previously unknown) Y-SNPs revealed. We'll report detailed findings as more FGC results arrive in the near future. We need additional FGC results in order to work out where the new FGC Y-SNPs fit in the Y-tree.

    Geno 2.0 has been very successful for us and we are hoping that in the next Geno 2.0 update many more Y-SNPs will be included. Currently there are approximately 38000 known (documented) Y-SNPs which could be included in Geno 2.0, possibly making the next update of Geno 2.0 even more valuable! FTDNA may also be working on their own improved Deep Clade test. So far nothing has been heard, but we look forward to a possible announcement from FTDNA's 9'th Genetic Genealogy Conference at Houston 9 & 10 Nov 2013.

    We have uncovered a few problems with Geno 2.0 which, again, hopefully will be corrected in the next Geno 2.0 update. One problem is that two reliable Y-SNPs, L229 and L254, tested widely by FTDNA over the last few years produce no result with Geno 2.0! Very disappointing for those that may be L229+ or L254+! We also found F3515 is an unreliable SNP as it shows up in multiple subbranches of J-L24 and we have removed F3515 from our official J-L24 genetic tree. A recent discovery is that F761 is producing anomalous results. At first we were quite excited about F761 as we were seeing a number of interesting F761+ results from Geno 2.0 but follow-on independent tests with FTDNA found no one that was F761+. All of FTDNA's tests of possible F761 candidates, derived from Geno 2.0, have come out as F761- by FTDNA! This made one of our project members, David Dugas who was found F761+ by Geno 2.0, suspicious that something was amiss, so he tested F761 on a close paternal relative and he was found F761- by FTDNA. Well, as you can imagine, we were very disappointed by this result! To be absolutely clear however we tested another recent Geno 2.0 F761+ result with FTDNA and lo an behold he was found F761- by FTDNA too! FTDNA is currently researching this problem and there is no answer yet. We think however that Geno 2.0 is picking up a signal from another Y-SNP at a different location on the Y-chromosome than that for F761. It may be a valid SNP but obviously we cannot trust Geno 2.0 to give us the right answer! For the time being we have removed F761 from our official J-L24 Y-tree.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

    Additional News:
    The J2-L24(M530) Blog.
    The Haplogroup J2 Blog.
    Your Genetic Genealogist.

  • 23 Sep 2013 (07:06 PDT): PROJECT UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 741.50 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462/DYS445 testing: 4.50 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for Geno 2.0 testing: 648.00 USD,
    Reserved for J-L70 marker upgrades: 60.00 USD,
    Available funds: 0.00 USD.


    AAA donated $53 for general use.

    Our previous WTY fund is now reserved for Geno 2.0 testing or Geno 2.0 SNP testing to help us clarify the J-L24 Y-DNA phylogenetic tree.
    The boxes in yellow background were found via Geno 2.0 testing! Currently FTDNA does not offer a Deep Clade test to determine what branch of the Y-tree one belongs. A very low cost per SNP test is offered by National Geographic however where over 12000 Y-SNPs are tested at a cost of less than 2 cents per SNP. Geno 2.0 will determine your exact placement in the J-L24 Y-tree with the added bonus that new branches may be revealed (new J-L24 SNPs may be revealed)! We recommend the Geno 2.0 test to all J-L24 project members. Please visit the National Geographic Genographic website HERE. Your results can be transferred free of charge to FTDNA where you will be given full credit for all your SNPs.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

    Additional News:
    The J2-L24(M530) Blog.
    The Haplogroup J2 Blog.
    Your Genetic Genealogist.

    We have had an outstanding response by project members to Geno 2.0! So far 57 of you who are L24/L25 have taken the test! There is more to learn though. There are more branches of the J-L24 Y-DNA tree to reveal. A recent Francalacci et. al paper regarding the full genome testing of 1204 Sardinians reveals 276 total J-L24 SNPs (!!). I have checked the excel file accompanying the paper and 47 of these PF series of SNPs are included in Geno 2.0 but have not yet been revealed so far by project member testing. Let's find these SNPs! If feasible please order Geno 2.0. None of these SNPs will be private because they have all been already found in other people doing full genome testing (Sardinians, ..., etc.).

  • 28 Jul 2013 (20:37 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 723.50 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462/DYS445 testing: 4.50 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for Geno 2.0 testing: 630.00 USD,
    Reserved for J-L70 marker upgrades: 60.00 USD,
    Available funds: 0.00 USD.


    AAA donated $60 for general use.

    Our previous WTY fund is now reserved for Geno 2.0 testing or Geno 2.0 SNP testing to help us clarify the J-L24 Y-DNA phylogenetic tree.
    The boxes in yellow background were found via Geno 2.0 testing! Currently FTDNA does not offer a Deep Clade test to determine what branch of the Y-tree one belongs. A very low cost per SNP test is offered by National Geographics however where over 12000 Y-SNPs are tested at a cost of less than 2 cents per SNP. Geno 2.0 will determine your exact placement in the J-L24 Y-tree with the added bonus that new branches may be revealed (new J-L24 SNPs may be revealed)! We recommend the Geno 2.0 test to all J-L24 project members. Please visit the National Geographic Genographic website HERE. Your results can be transferred free of charge to FTDNA where you will be given full credit for all your SNPs.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

    Additional News:
    The J2-L24(M530) Blog.
    The Haplogroup J2 Blog.
    Your Genetic Genealogist.

  • 20 Jun 2013 (14:25 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 779.50 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462/DYS445 testing: 5.50 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for Geno 2.0 testing: 685.00 USD,
    Reserved for J-L70 marker upgrades: 60.00 USD,
    Available funds: 0.00 USD.


    Thank you Ian for the $25 donation for Geno 2.0 testing.
    AAA donated $50 for general use.

    Our previous WTY fund is now reserved for Geno 2.0 testing or Geno 2.0 SNP testing to help us clarify the J-L24 Y-DNA phylogenetic tree.
    The boxes in yellow background were found via Geno 2.0 testing! Currently FTDNA does not offer a Deep Clade test to determine what branch of the Y-tree one belongs. A very low cost per SNP test is offered by National Geographics however where over 12000 Y-SNPs are tested at a cost of less than 2 cents per SNP. Geno 2.0 will determine your exact placement in the J-L24 Y-tree with the added bonus that new branches may be revealed (new J-L24 SNPs may be revealed)! We recommend the Geno 2.0 test to all J-L24 project members. Please visit the National Geographic Genographic website HERE. Your results can be transferred free of charge to FTDNA where you will be given full credit for all your SNPs.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

    Additional News:
    The J2-L24(M530) Blog.
    The Haplogroup J2 Blog.
    Your Genetic Genealogist.

  • 31 May 2013 (09:45 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 782.50 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462/DYS445 testing: 5.50 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for Geno 2.0 SNP testing: 688.00 USD,
    Reserved for J-L70 marker upgrades: 60.00 USD,
    Available funds: 0.00 USD.


    Our previous WTY fund is now reserved for Geno 2.0 SNP testing to help us clarify the J-L24 Y-DNA phylogenetic tree.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

    Additional News:
    The J2-L24(M530) Blog.
    The Haplogroup J2 Blog.
    Your Genetic Genealogist.

  • 27 Mar 2013 (08:30 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 1019.50 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462/DYS445 testing: 15.50 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 750.00 USD,
    Reserved for J-L70 marker upgrades: 60.00 USD,
    Reserved for Geno 2.0 testing: 165.00 USD,
    Available funds: 0.00 USD.


    The WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $950 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster. NOTE: In the future FTDNA will allow ordering Geno 2.0 from project funds. If so then we may decide to go with Geno 2.0 instead of WTY for this fund.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

    Additional News:
    The J2-L24(M530) Blog.
    The Haplogroup J2 Blog.
    Your Genetic Genealogist.

  • 24 Feb 2013 (08:16 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 1103.50 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462/DYS445 testing: 15.50 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 750.00 USD,
    Reserved for J-L70 marker upgrades: 60.00 USD,
    Reserved for Geno 2.0 testing (kit 19514): 199.00 USD,
    Available funds: 50.00 USD.


    AAA donated $50 for general use.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $950 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

    Additional News:
    The J2-L24(M530) Blog.
    The Haplogroup J2 Blog.
    Your Genetic Genealogist.

  • 27 Jan 2013 (08:47 PST): J-L24-Y-DNA Project Update: The F3133 clade.
  • Dear Project members.

    I am writing to you with an update of the National Geographics Genographic Project Geno 2.0 test which some of you have taken. I have received results from 22 project members so far, which is outstanding, but we still have blank spots where we need others to test. Basically what would be most helpful is to have at least one person in each of the J-L24-Y-DNA project clusters to test Geno 2.0. The project clusters can be seen in our Y-DNA Results Section.

    General information regarding Geno 2.0 is given at the National Geographic website. An important point is that FTDNA's Houston lab will be doing all the processing for National Geographic and all your new results will be transferable to FTDNA. Since results are transferable to FTDNA I strongly recommend, if you are considering a Deep Clade test, that you take the Geno 2.0 test instead.

    We have already learned quite a bit from the Geno 2.0 test as you can see in this updated J-L24 Phylogenetic Tree, provided by project member Ludmila Ryabchenko. You may need to widen your browser window some to see text clearly, or just click on the zoom in mouse button and scroll around to see the full tree. The new Geno 2.0 SNPs are shown in the yellow background color boxes. The main new feature is that L25 is now split into three main branches defined by F3133, PF4888/PF5401, and Z387. I suspect that all current L25 derived project members will fall under one of these branches. Z387 we already know as our DYS445=6 clade.

    F3133 itself splits into the diverse L192.2 clade (Tunisia, Turkey, Armenia, Jordan, Iran, India, Italy) and a new branch called F761. F761 is, apparently, a significant clade currently split into the Ducas (L231), Ward (L317) clades and kit 125514 (Verri, Italy), but likely the Curtin, Syrian-Anatolian, Najd, Al-Ahsaa, Mughal-Timurid, and F3133 Unclustered clusters, including the L363 clade, may also be derived at F761. Only way to know is by testing. The good news is that FTDNA is now offering F3133 and F761 for testing from your FTDNA home page under the Order An Upgrade, then Order an Advanced Test links. The unfortunate news is the FTDNA has increased the cost of single SNP testing by about 25 percent. The strategy I recommend is, if you are in one clusters above, to test F761 first. If you are F761+ then there is no need to test F3133 because we already know that F3133 is immediately upstream of F761. If you are F761+ then you will be assumed to be F3133+. However, unfortunately, if you are F761- then you will need to test F3133 to make sure you fall within the F3133 clade. Some of you, some clusters or clades, may be F761-, but we can't tell which at this time. We simply need our project members to test F761 so we can learn the scope of coverage of this SNP.

    Another useful result of the Geno 2.0 testing is that we can look at project members 37 and 67 marker test results to see if there are any distinguishing marker features for the new clades (F3133 and PF4888/PF5401). A project member, David Dugas, observed that everyone that was PF4888+ was also YCAII=19-23. This is a very clear distinguishing characteristic of the PF4888/PF5401 clade as you can see in our Y-DNA Results Section where I have marked clades and clusters that are PF4888+. So if YCAII=19-23 indicates the PF4888 clade then the ancestral YCAII=19-22 indicates either the F3133 clade or the Z387 clade but we already know the characteristics of the Z387 (DYS445=6) clade. We are left then with a good indicator of those that might be derived at F3133 having YCAII=19-22. Since YCAII=19-23 is derived from the ancestral YCAII=19-22 one might think that this makes PF4888 younger than F3133 or Z387, but this might not be the case at all. It may just be that via a random event YCAIIb=23 occurred early in the ancestry of PF4888 but similar random events did not occur in the other clades. Having YCAII=19-23 does not make PF4888 younger or older than the other L25 subclades (F3133 and Z387).

    Now that we have some indication of who might be F3133+ and F3133- we have initial sense of the people that are F3133+. They appear to be mostly Middle Eastern (many from Saudi Arabia, but also United Arab Emirates, Qatar. Kuwait, Oman, Bahrain, Armenia, Turkey, Tunisia, India, ...) with a few clusters (Ducas (France), Ward (England and Netherlands), Curtin (Ireland), and kits 125514 and 132751 (Italy)) that are European.

    If you take the Geno 2.0 please go to your Geno 2.0 website sections Settings, then Expert Options and download your results to your computer, then send me the download file and I will determine your Geno 2.0 L25 specific SNPs and send you an excel file of your Y-SNP results. Also download your results to FTDNA so they can add all your new SNPs into their system.

    Best Regards,
    Al Aburto
    Volunteer Administrator, Family Tree DNA
    J-L24-Y-DNA Project

  • 19 Jan 2013 (18:00 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 1092.50 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462/DYS445 testing: 15.50 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 750.00 USD,
    Reserved for J-L70 marker upgrades: 60.00 USD,
    Reserved for Geno 2.0 testing: 199.00 USD,
    Available funds: 39.00 USD.


    AAA donated $50 for general use.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $950 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

    Additional News:
    The Haplogroup J2 Blog.
    The J2-L24(M530) Blog.
    Geno 2.0 Info.

  • 28 Dec 2012 (20:14 PST): J-L24-Y-DNA Project Update
  • Dear Project members.

    Happy New Year and Best Wishes from the J-L24-Y-DNA Project administrators!

    I am writing to you with an update of the National Geographics Genographic Project Geno 2.0 test which some of you (~12 so far) have taken. General information is given at the National Geographic website. More details of the 7 who have received results so far are given below.

    At last count 12064 Y-SNPs are being tested. This is fantastic as approximately 10000 of these Y-SNPs are unique and new! Undoubtably Geno 2.0 will expand the Y-Tree with hundreds or thousands of new branches! If you are indicated as haplogroup J2 (J-M172) or any subclade of J2, I urge you to consider this test as very likely you will discover new branches of the Y-chromosome tree and possibly your deepest branches. An important point is that FTDNA's Houston lab will be doing all the processing for National Geographic and all your results will be transferable to FTDNA. Since results are transferable to FTDNA I strongly recommend, if you are considering a Deep Clade test, that you take the Geno 2.0 test instead.

    These below are just the J-L24(J2a4h) new SNPs. They had many other SNPs too (hundreds!) that are are upstream of J-L24. It will take FTDNA and others months to work out the meaning and placement of these new SNPs.
    (1) Kit N44844 (Lebanon) discovered he was L243+ and he had 2 new SNPs: PF4888 and PF5401.
    (2) Kit 171488 (Ukraine) is L243 and he had 3 new SNPs: PF4888, PF5401, and CTS8690.
    (3) Kit N9797 (India) is L192.2 and he had 1 new SNP: F3133.
    (4) Kit 204221 (Iran) is L70 and he had 10 new SNPs: CTS3601, CTS6061, L101, L236, L295, PF7437, L978, V102, V174, and PF4947.
    (5) Kit 23148 (Netherlands) is L70 and he had 3 new SNPs: CTS3601, CTS6061, and PF5456.
    (6) Kit N112366 (unknown ancestry) is L70 and he had, unfortuanately, no new SNPs.
    (7) Kit N14560 (Spain) is L229 and he had 4 new SNPs: PF4888, PF5401, PF5366, and PF5368.

    Already as you can see there is some substructure showing up within L25 (J2a4h2)! PF4888 and PF5401 unite the L243 clade, which is extensive and diverse, with kit N14560 who is L243-. We need other L243 clade members to test Geno 2.0 so we can work out more details of these new SNPs: PF4888, PF5401, PF5366, PF5368, and CTS8690. Also CTS3601 and CTS6061 define a new L70 subclade that splits kit 204221 having PF7437 and kit 23148 having PF5456 into different branches. How will other L70 members fit within CTS3601 and CTS6061? Will they define new branches of L70 or will they fit in with the PF7437 and PF5456 branches? No doubt we'll need many in L70 to test Geno 2.0 to find the answers. These new branches of J-L24 can be seen in FTDNA's latest Draft Y-Tree.

    If you take the Geno 2.0 please go to your Geno 2.0 website sections "Settings", the "Expert Options" and download your results to your computer, then send me the download file and I will determine your Geno 2.0 L25 SNPs and send you an excel file of your Y-SNP results. Also download your results to FTDNA so they can add all your new SNPs into their system.

    Best Regards,
    Al Aburto
    Volunteer Administrator, Family Tree DNA
    J-L24-Y-DNA Project

  • 03 Dec 2012 (07:05 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 901.50 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462/DYS445 testing: 25.50 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 750.00 USD,
    Reserved for J-L70 marker upgrades: 60.00 USD,
    Available funds: 37.00 USD.


    AAA donated $50 for general use.
    Thank you Ludmila for the $30 donation for L590 testing of kit 85998.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $950 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

    Additional News:
    The Haplogroup J2 Blog.
    The J2-L24(M530) Blog.
    Geno 2.0 Info.

  • 14 Nov 2012 (16:15 PST): J-L24-Y-DNA Project Update
  • Dear Project members.

    I am writing to you about a recent scientific paper having, so far, the most comprehensive information regarding the origins of our own J-L24 clade. In this paper L24 is called M530. In the scientific community the official clade name is taken from the first published paper to discuss it and it turns out that Dr. Roy King was the first to discuss our L24 clade in a scientific paper (The coming of the Greeks to Provence and Corsica) and he called it M530 in accordance to the nomenclature used by Stanford University. I think after over 3 years it is almost too late for us to shift from the L24 to the M530 name, maybe slowly, but just remember that L24 and M530 are one and the same mutation, clade, and branch of the Y-chromosome tree.

    The paper is by Grugni V, Battaglia V, Hooshiar Kashani B, Parolo S, Al-Zahery N, et. al. (2012, Ancient Migratory Events in the Middle East: New Clues from the Y-Chromosome Variation of Modern Iranians. PLoS ONE 7(7): e41252. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0041252. Here is a link to the paper: Ancient Migratory Events in the Middle East: New Clues from the Y-Chromosome Variation of Modern Iranians. The paper is free to download and don't forget to download the extensive Supporting Information files. This paper along with Dr. King's paper places our J-L24 (M530) haplogroup firmly within the population genetics scientific arena. We can expect to see more papers discussing J-L24(M530) in the future. A great step forward for our clade!

    The highest frequencies and diversity of J-L24(M530) haplotypes are found in Iran as established by this paper. It seems clear that L24(M530) originated in Iran. Iran is the homeland of our L24(M530) clade, it can't be anywhere else.

    Some highlights and links are given below.

    The Grugni paper found that L24(M530) occurred at a frequency of 10.00% out of 130 random samples in Konya, Turkey. These are probably Z387 (DYS445=6) haplotypes. We don't know at this time. I have communicated with Dr. Grugni and Professor Semino regarding SNPs we have found within L24 and Dr. Grugni has agreed to test L25, Z387, and L70 on her datasets. Tests are underway at this time. The variance of the Konya, Turkey haplotypes is moderate at 0.326. Variance is a mathematical procedure that is used to test the simularity of the haplotypes. If the variance is 0.0 then the haplotypes are identical. As the variance increases the haplotypes become increasingly different (there is no limit). Variance is also used to estimate the age of a group of haplotypes. The Grugni paper provides calibrated age estimates in their Table S7. Age of microsatellite variation and Standard Error within the main haplogroups.

    The Grugni paper found that L24(M530) occurred at a frequency of 12.20% out of 41 random samples from Lebanon. The variance was however lower at 0.200. The high frequency in Lebanon is interesting and it lends support to the Phoenicians as providing early movement of L24(M530) haplotypes westward into the Mediterranean Sea Countries as well as the coast of Portugal, the British Isles, and possibly even Ireland.

    The Grugni paper found that L24(M530) occurred at a frequency of 12.24% in the Hormozgan Province of Iran. The variance was moderate though at 0.333 in this southwestern corner of Iran.

    The highest L24(M530) frequency observed, anywhere in the world, was for Zoroastrians in the city of Yazd, Iran. The frequency was 17.5% out of a random sample of 80. The Persians of Yazd also showed an L24(M530) frequency of 17.5%. Zoroastrians of Tehran showed an L24(M530) frequency of 15.4%. Other areas of Iran showed high frequencies as well, higher than found anywhere else in the extensive set of countries studied in the paper. It seems clear that Zoroastrians and Persians are important groups in our ancient L24(M530) paternal ancestry.

    Iran then is our most ancient paternal homeland, but can one point to a specific area within Iran as the origin of L24(M530)? Yes, it is possible from the variance. The place of highest variance, highest diversity of haplotypes, is likely the place of origin of L24(M530). Our L24(M530) origin appears to be with the people occupying the Mazandaran Province of Iran where the variance was found to be 0.730. Indigenous peoples include the Mazanderanis who occupy the southern coastal plains of the Caspian Sea and the adjacient Alborz mountains. A closely related ethnic group are the Gilakis. The Gilaki are found in Mazandaran province and also in the Gilan Province just west of Mazandaran Province. These people are the oldest members of L24(M530) and I wonder how many will be found to carry the L25 SNP which is immediately downstream of L24(M530). So far in our FTDNA J-L24-Y-DNA Project we have found only two confirmed haplotypes who are L24+ and not also L25+. The second highest variance (0.651) was found among Persians/Zoroastrians of Yazd and Fars Provinces. The Mazanderanis people and the Persians are no doubt paternally related. I look forward to seeing Dr. Grugni's L25 test results. Perhaps we will find some cases being L24+ and L25-.

    Outside of Iran I have already indicated the relatively high frequencies of L24(M530) found in Turkey and Lebanon, and there are several other countries worthy of comment. The first that stands out is Italy where L24(M530) is observed throughout. In fact the highest frequency of L24(M530) is 6.98% out of a random sample of 86 people in Apulia, which is higher than all places tested in Turkey except for Konya, Turkey. In fact Apulia, Italy shows the 3rd highest variance (0.552) observed in this study of L24(M530). This is remarkable because this degree of variance indicates and ancient age of the haplotypes. In fact the Grugni paper indicates the Apulia L24(M530) haplotypes have an age going back 19500+/-5200 years ago (Table S7). The error is large at +/-5200 years but still even the minimum age is quite old for these L24(M530) haplotypes in Apulia. The 19.5+/-5.2 thousand years ago indicates the Upper Palaeolithic (Late Stone Age). The Neolithic period begins about 8000 years ago. The Neolithic makes more sense to me because when I look at Apulia using Google Earth I see an area rich in farming. An explanation to this puzzle could be that L24(M530) Neolithic farmers moved into Apulia in more recent times, less that about 8000 years ago, but they just happened to have diverse haplotypes which we see today. It is not necessarily true that L24(M530) has been in Apulia for 19.5+/-5.2 thousand years(since the Upper Palaeolithic). Here is a brief summary of Prehistoric Italy.

    Another country of interest is Israel. In Israel 7.32% out of a random sample of 82 Ashkenazi Jews were found to be L24(M530) and 4.65% out of a random sample of 43 Sephardi Jews were found L24(M530). This is in agreement with our own J-L24-Y-DNA Project where we see evidence of Jews throughout the subclades of L25. A notable Jewish subclade of L25 is L254. Also Jewish clusters and subclades are found within subclades L243 and L70. It will be interesting to learn the history of these various Jewish clusters and subclades of L25 and to see how they may or may not be connected.

    Iraq is curious due to the low percentages of L24(M530) found there. Not one L24(M530) was found in 143 random samples of the Marsh Arabs of Iraq and only 2 L25(M530) were found in 154 (1.30%) random samples from Baghdad. This seems odd because Iran shares a good part of it's western border with Iraq. Perhaps L24(M530) haplotypes moved through the most northern parts of Iraq (Kirkuk, Erbil, Mosul)? It would be interesting to test L24(M530) in these northernmost areas of Iraq, and also the northern area of Iran at Urmia and Tabriz.

    Poland is also interesting because no L24(M530)'s were found in a random sample of 99 people in Poland. This seems odd because in our J-L24-Y-DNA Project we have 22 L24(M530) cases with ancestry from Poland (a number with Jewish ancestry). It could be that having ancestry from Poland and actually living in Poland are two different things? It could be with the overwhelming numbers of Y-DNA haplogroups I and R in Poland that L24(M530) is indeed difficult to detect? Also a factor could be the connection of L24(M530) with the Jewish people. The Holocaust was certainly a factor and the subsequent movement of Jews out of Poland another factor.

    Spain is another country showing 0.00% of L24(M530) in this Iran study by Grugni et al (2012). No cases of L24(M530) were detected in 93 random samples from Andalusia, 55 random Basque samples, and 29 random Catalan samples. Not one L24(M530) out of 177 total random samples tested. This is remarkable, because here I am an L24(M530) person with paternal ancestry from Basque Country (Spain). Perhaps L24(M530)'s left Iberia after 1492 and made their way to the New World and today their descendants are found in the America's? I suspect if Dr. Grugni and her colleagues were to test random samples from Veracruz and Puebla Mexico that they would be surprised to find L24(M530) in sufficient numbers, probably yielding a good idea of the L24(M530) frequency in Iberia before 1492. It would be an interesting experiment anyway. It would not fail I think, because today in the J-L24-Y-DNA Project there are 25 L24(M530)'s with paternal ancestry from Iberia. They are Hispanics with more recent ancestry from Mexico, Central and South America.

    I had an very enjoyable time studying and thinking about this interesting paper by Grugni et al (2012) and I hope that you will too.
    Best Regards,
    Al Aburto
    Volunteer Administrator, Family Tree DNA
    J-L24-Y-DNA Project

  • 03 Nov 2012 (12:21 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 831.50 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462/DYS445 testing: 25.50 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 725.00 USD,
    Reserved for J-L70 marker upgrades: 60.00 USD,
    Available funds: -8.00 USD.


    AAA donated $50 for general use.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $950 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

    Additional News:
    The Haplogroup J2 Blog.
    The J2-L24(M530) Blog.

  • 03 Oct 2012 (07:24 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 869.00 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462/DYS445 testing: 55.00 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 725.00 USD,
    Reserved for J-L70 marker upgrades: 60.00 USD,
    Available funds: 0.00 USD.


    AAA donated $50 for general use.
    Thank you Ian for the $25 for J-L70 marker upgrades.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $950 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 10 Sep 2012 (08:00 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 794.00 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462/DYS445 testing: 26.10 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 700.00 USD,
    Reserved for 12 marker J-L70 upgrades: 35.00 USD,
    Available funds: 3.90 USD.


    AAA donated $50 for general use.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $950 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 20 Aug 2012 (06:30 PDT): J-L24-Y-DNA Project Update
  • Dear Project members.

    I am writing to you about the new National Geographics Genographic Project Geno 2.0 test which many of you have heard about already. General information is given at the National Geographic website. More details are given below.

    Here are the highlights:
  • Y-DNA SNPs (for men only)
  • Approximately 12000 Y-SNPs will be tested. This is fantastic as approximately 10000 of these Y-SNPs are unique and new! Undoubtably Geno 2.0 will expand the Y-Tree with hundreds or thousands of new branches! If you are indicated as haplogroup J2-M172, J2a-M410, J2a4-L26, or even J2a4h-L24 or J2a4h2-L25, or any subclade of J2, I urge you to consider this test as very likely you will discover new branches of the Y-chromosome tree and possibly your deepest branches. An important point is that FTDNA's Houston lab will be doing all the processing for National Geographic and your results will be transferable to FTDNA.

  • mtDNA SNPs (for women and men)
  • Approximately 31000 points of the mtDNA will be examined. This will be enough to determine most branches on the new mtDNA Phylotree V14. Note however that while the Geno 2.0 test is very detailed it does not replace FTDNA's Full Sequence mtDNA test which finds every SNP.

  • Autosomal and X-chromosome SNPs (for women and men)
  • Approximately 147000 autosomal and X-chromosome SNPs will be examined. These are Ancestry Informative Marker (AIM) SNPs from approximately 450 worldwide population groups. They have been selected to remove autosomal SNPs having medical implications. Geno 2.0 is intended for ancestry information only. No medical information will be provided.

  • Neandertal and Denisovan SNPs (for women and men)
  • Aproximately 26000 Neandertal SNPs and 1500 Denisovan SNPs will be tested in your sample so you can see how you compare to other ancient hominids.

  • Aboriginal and Eskimo SNPs (for women and men)
  • Approximately 13000 aboriginal and 12000 Eskimo SNPs will be tested. These will help discern how we compare to more recent Native American and other aborignal populations. Information from American tribal populations is not included but Canadian and Mexican tribes are participating in the Genographic Project.

  • Chimpanzee SNPs(for women and men)
  • Aproximately 1100 Chimpanzee SNPs are included so we can see how we compare to our ancient cousins from whom we separated from millions of years ago.

  • Additional links to check:
  • Genealem.

    Native Heritage Project.

    DNA Explained.

    Your Genetic Genealogist.

    Best Regards,
    Al Aburto
    Volunteer Administrator, Family Tree DNA
    J-L24-Y-DNA Project

  • 15 Aug 2012 (09:24 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 770.00 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462/DYS445 testing: 26.10 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 675.00 USD,
    Reserved for 12 marker J-L70 upgrades: 35.00 USD,
    Available funds: 4.90 USD.


    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $950 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 01 Aug 2012 (10:15 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 791.00 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462/DYS445 testing: 46.10 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 650.00 USD,
    Reserved for L927 testing: 30.90 USD,
    Reserved for 12 marker J-L70 upgrades: 35.00 USD,
    Available funds: 0.00 USD.


    AAA contributed $50 for general use.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $950 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 03 Jul 2012 (18:55 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 818.50 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462/DYS445 testing: 65.60 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 625.00 USD,
    Reserved for L927 testing: 63.90 USD,
    Reserved for 12 marker J-L70 upgrades: 35.00 USD,
    Available funds: 0.00 USD.


    AAA contributed $80 for general use.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $950 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 28 Jun 2012 (08:08 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 767.50 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462/DYS445 testing: 65.60 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 625.00 USD,
    Reserved for L927 testing: 12.90 USD,
    Reserved for 12 marker J-L70 upgrades: 35.00 USD,
    Available funds: 0.00 USD.


    AAA contributed $50 for general use.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $950 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 17 Jun 2012 (16:49 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 804.50 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462/DYS445 testing: 65.60 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 625.00 USD,
    Reserved for Z-SNP testing within L24 (see 03 Nov News):49.90 USD,
    Reserved for 12 marker J-L70 upgrades: 35.00 USD,
    Reserved for P244.2 testing: 0.00 USD,
    Available funds: 0.00 USD.


    Thank you Tim for the $50 donation for DYS462/DYS445 testing.
    Thank you Moises for the $47 donation for general use.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 26 May 2012 (11:18 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 756.00 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 25.60 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 625.00 USD,
    Reserved for L530, L531 testing within L25: 0.00 USD,
    Reserved for Z-SNP testing within L24 (see 03 Nov News): 2.90 USD,
    Reserved for 12 marker J-L70 upgrades: 35.00 USD,
    Reserved for P244.2 testing: 38.50 USD,
    Available funds: 0.00 USD.


    Thank you Ian for the $20 donation for DYS462 testing!

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 17 May 2012 (06:40 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 784.50 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 25.10 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 625.00 USD,
    Reserved for L530, L531 testing within L25: 0.00 USD,
    Reserved for Z-SNP testing within L24 (see 03 Nov News): 10.40 USD,
    Reserved for 12 marker J-L70 upgrades: 35.00 USD,
    Reserved for P244.2 testing: 60.00 USD,
    Available funds: 0.00 USD.


    AAA donated $60 for general use.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 31 Mar 2012 (19:00 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 724.50 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 25.10 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 625.00 USD,
    Reserved for L530, L531 testing within L25: 0.00 USD,
    Reserved for Z-SNP testing within L24 (see 03 Nov News): 10.40 USD,
    Reserved for 12 marker J-L70 upgrades: 35.00 USD,
    Available funds: 0.00 USD.


    Thank you Ian for the $25 donation for L70 gamma WTY.
    AAA donated $60 for general use.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 08 Mar 2012 (09:00 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 697.50 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 25.10 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 600.00 USD,
    Reserved for L530, L531 testing within L25: 0.00 USD,
    Reserved for Z-SNP testing within L24 (see 03 Nov News): 7.90 USD,
    Reserved for 12 marker J-L70 upgrades: 35.00 USD,
    Reserved for Kit 204221: 0.50 USD.
    Available funds: 0.00 USD.


    AAA donated $50 for general use.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 23 Feb 2012 (09:10 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 701.20 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 25.10 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 600.00 USD,
    Reserved for L530, L531 testing within L25: 0.00 USD,
    Reserved for Z-SNP testing within L24 (see 03 Nov News): 11.60 USD,
    Reserved for 12 marker J-L70 upgrades: 35.00 USD,
    Reserved for Kit 204221: 0.50 USD.
    Available funds: 0.00 USD.


    Thank you James for the $100 donation for SNP testing.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 17 Feb 2012 (19:05 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 929.70 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 25.10 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 600.00 USD,
    Reserved for L530, L531 testing within L25: 0.00 USD,
    Reserved for Z-SNP testing within L24 (see 03 Nov News): 40.60 USD,
    Reserved for 12 marker J-L70 upgrades: 35.00 USD,
    Reserved for Kit 204221: 200.00 USD.
    Available funds: 0.00 USD.


    Thank you James for the $58 donation for SNP testing.
    Thank you Ian for the $25 donation for L70 gamma WTY.
    AAA donated $50 for general use.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 04 Feb 2012 (11:50 PST): Walk Through the Y (WTY) UPDATE
  • Kit 204211 who is L70-gamma, L70+, P244-2-, M318-, M137-, and DYS462=10 has completed his WTY and 7 new SNPs have been discovered in his Y-chromosome: L219.2, L910, L911, L912, L913, L927, and L948!

    Attempting to minimize the testing required I was able to check L219.2, L911, L912, L913, and L948 on our project members who have already completed a WTY. The results indicate these SNPs are downstream of J-L70 (they are L70 SNPs). Also kit N3433, who is L70-beta, tested negative for L219.2, L911, L912, and L913 and this indicates these 4 SNPs are derived within the L70-gamma cluster. In addition testing of L948 indicates that it is derived within L70 as it was found positive (L948+) in kit N3433 and ancestral (L948-) in L25+ and L70- members testing WTY. Since L948 is found within both the L70-gamma and L70-beta clusters it is suspected that L948 will reside upstream of these two clusters. Only further testing will reveal where exactly that will be.

    No information regarding L910 and L927, from those L25's who have tested WTY, could be found. Currently there are several project members undergoing preliminary testing of all of kit 204221's new SNPs (except L219.2 which is not available for testing yet). We'll provide a summary of results as soon as possible. Preliminary testing is important to determine which SNPs will require further testing to determine their position within L70. Some SNPs may be very new and found only within kit 204221's recent paternal lineage. These SNPs will not require wider testing within L70. Other SNPs such as L948 are older and will require wider testing within L70.

    At this time, except for L948, we are awaiting preliminary testing to complete so that we may gauge the extent of further testing that may be required.

    We need other L70 members to test L948. L948 can be found for ordering by clicking on the orange Order An Upgrade link on the right side of the black band near the top of your FTDNA home page, then click on Order an Advanced Test. Set Test Type to SNP and in the Marker box click in it and enter L948 and Add to your order.

    More information on the WTY research program can be found HERE.

  • 04 Feb 2012 (08:19 PST): Z387 MAY be the DYS445=6 SNP!.
  • Testing of the recently discovered SNP, Z387, is progressing very well! So far 11 J-L24-Y-DNA Project members have tested Z387. Initial testing on kit 18332 (who is L24+, L25-, and was found Z387-) indicated that Z387 was confined to the L25(J2a4h2) clade. Additionally Z387- was found in 4 L25+ and DYS445=10 project members tested at this time. Additionally, and very crucially so far, Z387+ was found in 6 L25+ and DYS445=6 project members both L70- and L70+! These results point to Z387 as being the DYS445=6 defining SNP! More confirming evidence is needed however.

    Our results establish that the L70 and L270 clades are subclades of Z387. The updated FTDNA draft J-L24 tree shows the subclades of Z387 HERE.

    More testing is being done. We have pending results for 7 other L25+, L70- and L70+, project members all of which have DYS445=6. We expect results for kits 12881, 15299, 114188, 152852, 188265, 209115, and N5303 in the coming weeks.

    Additional testing is needed! We need more members of our 0300 L25*(6), alpha cluster to test Z387. Of particular importance, for testing Z387, are project members from Turkey, Armenia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Spain. The 0300 L25*(6), alpha cluster project members can be found HERE.

    For additional information on Z387 please see the J-L24-Y-DNA Project news item of 03 Nov 2011.

  • 28 Jan 2012 (08:25 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 890.90 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 32.30 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 575.00 USD,
    Reserved for L530, L531 testing within L25: 0.00 USD,
    Reserved for Z-SNP testing within L24 (see 03 Nov News): 19.60 USD,
    Reserved for 12 marker J-L70 upgrades: 35.00 USD,
    Reserved for Kit 204221: 200.00 USD.
    Available funds: 0.00 USD.


    Thank you James for the $200 donation for a selected WTY.
    Thank you Gary for the $25 donation for L70 gamma WTY.
    AAA donated $25 for general use.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 10 Jan 2012 (19:25 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 727.90 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 32.30 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 550.00 USD,
    Reserved for L530, L531 testing within L25: 0.00 USD,
    Reserved for Z-SNP testing within L24 (see 03 Nov News): 81.60 USD,
    Reserved for 12 marker J-L70 upgrades: 35.00 USD.
    Available funds: 0.00 USD.


    Thank you Thierry for the $50 donation.
    AAA donated $20 for general use.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 23 Dec 2011 (20:43 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 665.10 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 39.50 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 525.00 USD,
    Reserved for L530, L531 testing within L25: 0.00 USD,
    Reserved for Z-SNP testing within L24 (see 03 Nov News): 31.00 USD,
    Reserved for 12 marker J-L70 upgrades: 35.00 USD.
    Available funds: 5.60 USD.


    Thank you Ian for the $40 donation.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 02 Dec 2011 (08:01 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 637.50 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 19.50 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 500.00 USD,
    Reserved for L530, L531 testing within L25: 0.00 USD,
    Reserved for Z-SNP testing within L24 (see 03 Nov News): 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for 12 marker J-L70 upgrades: 35.00 USD.
    Available funds: 25.00 USD.


    Thank you Gennadij for the $30 donation.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 01 Dec 2011 (19:36 PST): Great Summary of the 7'th FTDNA Conference on Genetic Genealogy.

  • Your Genetic Genealogist


  • 30 Nov 2011 (19:10 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 607.50 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 14.50 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 475.00 USD,
    Reserved for L530, L531 testing within L25: 0.00 USD,
    Reserved for Z-SNP (Z387 available) testing within L24: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for 12 marker J-L70 upgrades: 35.00 USD.
    Available funds: 25.00 USD.


    Ian donated $25 for the L70 gamma WTY.
    Ian donated $70 for 12 marker J-L70 upgrades.
    AAA donated $50 for general use.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 11 Nov 2011 (07:32 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 555.50 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 14.50 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 425.00 USD,
    Reserved for L530, L531 testing within L25: 0.00 USD,
    Reserved for Z-SNP (Z387 available) testing within L24: 87.00 USD,
    Available funds: 0.00 USD.


    Ian donated $25 for the L70 gamma WTY fund.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 05 Nov 2011 (17:25 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 530.50 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 14.50 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 400.00 USD,
    Reserved for L530, L531 testing within L25: 0.00 USD,
    Reserved for Z-SNP (Z387 available) testing within L24: 87.00 USD,
    Available funds: 0.00 USD.


    AAA donated $75 for general use.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 03 Nov 2011 (09:00 PDT): New SNPs Update: L530, L531, L532, L534, P244.2, L589, L590, and 62 new Z-SNPs!!
  • As you read in our 31 Mar 2011 and 03 May 2011 updates kit N9797's (Kerala-b cluster, being L192.2+) WTY yielded 4 new SNPs: L530, L531, L532, and L534! Recently kit 177722, who is L243+, completed his WTY and two new SNPs were found: L589 and L590. In addition within L70 we have two recently revealed SNPs: L396 and P244.2. Currently FTDNA has made all these SNPs available for testing under Order Advanced Tests found in your Order Tests & Upgrades section of your FTDNA home webpages. Even more exciting are 62 new Z-SNPs found in 3 L70+ individuals from Tuscany Italy who tested under the 1000 Genomes project. What follows is a brief update on the status of these SNPs.

    L534:
    L534 is a subclade of L192.2 and it defines the Kerala-b cluster (Kerala, India). Kamel Al-Gazzah who is L192.2+ and L271+ (Msaken, Tunisia) was found L534-. Also kit 189339, who is L192.2+, was found as L534- too. Other members being L192.2+ need to test L534 to confirm they are, or are not, members of the L534 subclade. We need kits 55151, N21925, 110343, and 132751 to test as well as they may, or may not be, L534+ and members of the Kerala-b subclade!

    L530, L531, and L532:
    Kit N9797 being L192.2+, L271-, and L534+ was also L530+, L531+, and L532+. Kamel Al-Gazzah who is L192.2+, L271+, and L534- also tested those SNPs and he was found L530+, L531+, and L532+. In order to establish that these SNPs are, or are not, contained within L192.2, kit N14560 (me), being L229+ and L192.2-, tested the SNPs and was found L530+, L531+, and L532+ too! This was a very interesting result and it means the sources of these SNPS lie outside of L192.2 and lie instead within L25 or L24 or further upstream. In order to establish these SNPs as originating within L25, or not, we needed to test an L24+ and L25- person. We are fortunate to have such a person in kit 18332 and we found he was L530- and L531-. This means that L530 and L531 are J-L25 SNPs. We have done some additional testing in kits N5814, 187391, and 183028 but they were all L530+ and L531+. The evidence, so far, indicates that L530 and L531 are equivalent to L25. We'll keep testing but it appears it will be difficult finding an L25+, L530-, and, or, L531- person. Kit 18332's L532 result has yet to complete but we already know from WTY testing that L532 lies upstream of L24 and in fact appears to be equivalent to M410 (J2a). Consequently we expect kit 18332 to be L532+.

    L589 and L590:
    These SNPs were found in kit 177722's Walk Through the Y(WTY). Kit 177722 is L243+, L589+, and L590+. Kits N62982 and 123280, also L243+, were found L589- and L590-. These results indicate that L589 and L590 may be specific to kit 177722's paternal lineage, but we still need kits 93278, 79351, and N37763 to test these SNPs. Recently a new L243+ haplotype was found (kit 171488, ancestry from Ukraine)and he was found L589- and L590+. This establishes L589 as a subclade of L590. It also shows that kit 171488's paternal lineage is older than that of kit 177722.

    P244.2:
    P244, also known as rs2740981, was first observed in an L70 person testing at 23andMe. Subsequently this person joined the J-L24-Y-DNA project. He is kit 183028 and a member of our L70-gamma cluster. P244 however is a haplogroup P defining SNP so the L70 version has been designated by FTDNA as P244.2. Currently we have found five (5) L70-gamma haplotypes to be P244.2+. These are kits 183028, 60749, N14132, 129877, and another member who wishes to keep his kit number private. Also, currently, we are testing five (5) others for P244.2. These are kits 43367, 142200, 145585, 132800, and 146291. There are perhaps 20 other L70-gamma members that are good candidates for P244.2 based on their close matches to those already known to be P244.2+. It is clear that P244.2 is a significant branch of L70 and L70-gamma with the majority of members having paternal ancestry from Eastern Europe. Several members of this P244.2 clade are Jewish and one is Ashkenazi Cohen. P244.2 likely originated somewhere in Eastern Europe (Poland, Ukraine, ...) about 800 years ago. We will have more definitive information as we continue to find more L70-gamma P244.2+ haplotypes. I have moved confirmed and candidate P244.2 member haplotypes into a P244.2+ section in our projects Y-DNA Results section.

    L396:
    L396 is a small, young, subclade of the L70-beta cluster. The few L70-beta L396 haplotypes we have found are shown near the top of the L70-beta Y-STR Tree, as the orange nodes. The L396 clade is identified specifically by being of the L70-beta cluster with DYS388=14, instead of the modal DYS388=16. The first L396 mutation appears to have come into being in Europe (Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania, Poland) about 460+/-120 years ago.

    62 New Z-SNPs!
    The 1000 Genomes project has discovered thousands of new SNPs on the Y-chromosome. These SNPs are being designated as Z-SNPs by FTDNA. Through the efforts of Bonnie Schrack, administrator of the Y-DNA J project, 62 (!) of these SNPs have been identified as possible J-L24 SNPs. These SNPs were discovered in three L70+ individuals from Tuscany, Italy. This is quite incredible, 62 new SNPs found in three L70+ haplotypes! This does not mean these Z-SNPs are all L70, but likley most of them are. Some of them no doubt reside upstream of L70, within L25 and those having DYS445=6, within L25 and those having DYS445=10, or along the J path upstream from L25. FTDNA is calling these new SNPs Z385, Z386, Z387, ..., Z445, Z446. FTDNA will slowly, after developing and testing primers, make these SNPs available for testing in the SNP section under Order Advanced Tests, under your Order Tests & Upgrades. The first Z-SNP, Z387, recently became available. We are seeking donations to help test the Z-SNPs so if possible please contribute to our project for Z-SNP testing. Our strategy for testing the Z-SNPs will be to first test on kit 18332 who is L24+ and L25-. If kit 18332, for example, is Z387+ then we'll know Z387 is either an L24 equivalent SNP or lies somewhere on the J path upstream from L24. If kit 18332 is Z387- then since Z387 was found in an L70+ person we know it lies within L25 on the path leading to L70. Next along the path leading to L70 would be the L25*(6) cluster from which L70 derived. A SNP for this cluster has not yet been found. This cluster is defined by being L25+, L70-, with DYS445=6. Members of L25*(6) to test Z387 would be the estimated youngest haplotypes of the cluster, such as kit 56667 who is also L270+. If kit 56667 is Z387- then we can be confident Z387 is indeed equivalent to L70 or defines a subclade of L70. A specific subclade is unknown however, can't be estimated, since there are no accompanying marker (Y-STR) haplotypes for the Z-SNPs. Since the L70 clade is quite large, determining who is Z387+ would require testing, as a first step, at least one member of each known cluster within L70. As one can see there is potentially a lot of testing that may be needed to find someone who is L387+. In fact we may find no one that is Z387+ as the SNP may be specific, or "private", to one of the Tuscany L70 whose information and haplotype is anonymous and unavailable. On the other hand if everyone who is L70+ who tested Z387 is also found Z387+ then we'll know Z387 is likely equivalent to L70.

    FTDNA's Draft J-L24 Y-DNA Tree:
    FTDNA's DRAFT J-L24 Y-DNA Tree can be found here HERE. Here you can see where new SNPs have been tentatively placed on the Y-Tree. The positions are adjusted as project members test the new SNPs.

    Walk Through the Y info:
    More information on the WTY research program can be found HERE.

  • 29 Oct 2011 (20:45 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 542.50 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 14.50 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 375.00 USD,
    Reserved for L530, L531 testing within L25: 34.00 USD,
    Reserved for Z-SNP (Z423, Z428, Z440)testing within L24: 90.00 USD,
    Available funds: 0.00 USD.


    Thank you Ian for the $25 donation to L70 gamma WTY.
    AAA donated $50 for general use.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 01 Oct 2011 (13:00 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 484.20 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 14.50 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 325.00 USD,
    Reserved for L530, L531 testing within L25: 25.50 USD,
    Reserved for Z-SNP (Z423, Z428, Z440) testing within L24: 90.00 USD,
    Available funds: 0.20 USD.


    Thank you Ian for the $25 donation to L70 gamma WTY.
    AAA donated $50 for general use.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 17 Sep 2011 (11:35 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 447.70 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 14.50 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 gamma WTY: 300.00 USD,
    Reserved for L530, L531 testing within L25: 70.00 USD,
    Reserved for Z-SNP testing within L24: 32.00 USD,
    Available funds: 2.20 USD.


    Thank you Ian for the $25 donation to L70 gamma WTY.
    AAA donated $50 for general use.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 25 Aug 2011 (07:03 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 411.20 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 14.50 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 Gamma WTY: 275.00 USD,
    Reserved for L530, L531 testing within L25: 52.00 USD,
    Available funds: 40.70 USD.


    AAA donated $50 for general use.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 29 Jul 2011 (18:05 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 361.20 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 14.50 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 Gamma WTY: 275.00 USD,
    Reserved for L530, L531 testing within L25: 42.00 USD,
    Available funds: 0.70 USD.


    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 19 Jul 2011 (19:30 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 390.20 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 14.50 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 Gamma WTY: 275.00 USD,
    Reserved for L530, L531 testing within L25: 71.00 USD,
    Available funds: 0.70 USD.


    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 09 Jul 2011 (20:01 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 443.10 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 38.40 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 Gamma WTY: 275.00 USD,
    Reserved for L530, L531 testing within L25: 90.00 USD,
    Reserved for L589, L590 testing within L243: 10.00 USD.
    Available funds: 0.70 USD.


    AAA donated $50 for general use.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    New SNPs L530 and L531 have been determined to be contained within J-L25 (J2a4h2). However we have no idea of the range of coverage of these SNPs within J-L25. Only way to discover where these new branches of J-L25 lie is to test them. Donations for L530 & L531 testing appeciated.

    New SNPs L589 and L590 were determined to be contained within L243. The range of coverage of these SNPs within L243 is unknown. Donations for L589 and L590 testing appreciated.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 30 Jun 2011 (08:23 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 433.70 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 1.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 testing: 1.00 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 77.00 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 Gamma WTY: 250.00 USD,
    Reserved for L530, L531, L532 testing: 75.00 USD.
    Available funds: 0.70 USD.


    Thank you Jodie for the $20 contribution for DYS462 testing.
    Thank you Tim for the $50 contribution for DYS462 testing.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 14 Jun 2011 (20:20 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 387.60 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 1.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 testing: 1.00 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 30.90 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 Gamma WTY: 250.00 USD,
    Reserved for L530, L531, L532 testing: 75.00 USD.
    Available funds: 0.70 USD.


    AAA donated $50 for general use.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 25 May 2011 (09:37 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 337.60 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 1.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 testing: 1.00 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 30.90 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 Gamma WTY: 225.00 USD,
    Reserved for L530, L531, L532 testing: 50.00 USD.
    Available funds: 0.70 USD.


    We thank an anonymous person for the $100 contribution!

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 07 May 2011 (08:58 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 237.60 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 1.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 testing: 1.00 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 30.90 USD,
    Reserved for L239 (kit N74130) testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 Gamma WTY: 175.00 USD.
    Available funds: 0.70 USD.


    Thank you Joseph for the $25 donation to the L70 Gamma WTY.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 03 May 2011 (11:00 PDT): New SNPs Update: L530, L531, L532, L534, and P244.
  • As you read in our 31 Mar 2011 update kit N9797's (Kerala-b cluster, being L192.2+) WTY yielded 4 new SNPs: L530, L531, L532, and L534! Recently FTDNA has made all these SNPs available for testing under Order Advanced Tests found in your Order Tests & Upgrades section. What follows is a brief update on the status of these SNPs.

    L534:
    L534 is a subclade of L192.2 and it defines the Kerala-b cluster (Kerala, India). Kamel Al-Gazzah who is L192.2+ and L271+ (Msaken, Tunisia) was found as L534-. Other members being L192.2+ need to test L534 to confirm they are or are not members of the L534 subclade. Kit 189339 is currently testing L534, but we need kits 55151, N21925, 110343, and 132751 to test as well as they may or may not be L534+ and members of the Kerala-b subclade!

    L530, L531, and L532:
    Kit N9797 being L192.2+, L271-, and L534+ was also L530+, L531+, and L532+. Kamel Al-Gazzah who is L192.2+, L271+, and L534- also tested those SNPs and he was found L530+, L531+, and L532+. In order to establish that these SNPs are or are not contained within L192.2 kit N14560 (me), being L229+ and L192.2-, tested the SNPs and was found L530+, L531+, and L532+ too! This was very interesting result and it means the sources of these SNPS lie outside of L192.2 and instead within L25 or L24! In order to establish these SNPs as originating within L25, or not, we need to test an L24+ and L25- person. We are fortunate to have such a person in kit 18332 and we are currently testing L530, L531, and L532 on him. We look forward to these test results and we will decide later how to proceed with further testing.

    P244:
    P244, also known as rs2740981, was first observed in an L70 person testing at 23andMe. Subsequently this person joined the J-L24-Y-DNA project. He is kit 183028 and a member of our L70-gamma cluster. There was some months of delay until FTDNA had the P244 primers ready for initial testing on kit 183028's sample, but even after several attempts the primers failed to work on kit 183028 although they worked fine on others. Kit 183028 had some fairly close matches though in L70-gamma so when P244 was offered for general testing by FTDNA we lobbied for Kit 183028's closest matches to test P244. Kit 60749's results came back recently and he was found P244+! Since kit 183028 and his other closest matches are all L70, kit 60749's result verified P244 as a subclade of L70 and P244 was placed on FTDNA's Draft J-L24 Y-Tree. It is shown as P244.2 because P244 also shows up in Y-DNA haplogroup P. We look forward to seeing more P244 results in the near future. From kit 183028 and 60749's closest matches it appears P244.2 may be a significant branch of L70.

    More information on the WTY research program can be found HERE.

  • 03 May 2011 (11:00 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 308.80 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 1.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 testing: 1.00 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 38.10 USD,
    Reserved for L239 testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for Deep Clade-J for 88695: 89.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 Gamma WTY: 145.00 USD.
    Available funds: 5.70 USD.


    Thank you Ian for the $25 donation to the L70 Gamma WTY.
    Thank you Ian for the $10 donation to kit 88695's Deep Clade test.
    AAA donated $50 for general use.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person in the L70-gamma cluster (we removed the DYS462=8 requirement and opened this WTY to the wider L70-gamma cluster). The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 21 Apr 2011 (07:50 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 220.80 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 1.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 testing: 1.00 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 38.10 USD,
    Reserved for L239 testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for Deep Clade-J for 88695: 50.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70+DYS462=8 WTY: 100.00 USD.
    Available funds: 1.70 USD.


    Thank you Dan for the $75 donation to L70 gamma WTY (added for now to L70+ DYS462=8 WTY).

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person having DYS462=8. The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster having DYS462=8.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 18 Apr 2011 (20:38 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 145.80 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 1.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 testing: 1.00 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 38.10 USD,
    Reserved for L239 testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for Deep Clade-J for 88695: 50.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70+DYS462=8 WTY: 25.00 USD.
    Available funds: 1.70 USD.


    Thank Ian for the $16.70 donation for DYS462 testing.

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person having DYS462=8. The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster having DYS462=8.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 09 Apr 2011 (15:48 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 157.80 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 1.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 testing: 1.00 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 38.10 USD,
    Reserved for L239 testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for Deep Clade-J for 88695: 50.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70+DYS462=8 WTY: 25.00 USD.
    Available funds: 13.70 USD.


    Thank you Merrill for the $10 contribution for DYS462 testing!

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person having DYS462=8. The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster having DYS462=8.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 02 Apr 2011 (13:29 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund:183.00 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 testing: 1.00 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 35.30 USD,
    Reserved for L239 testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for Deep Clade-J for 88695: 50.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70+DYS462=8 WTY: 25.00 USD.
    Available funds: 13.70 USD.


    AAA contributed $60 for general use.
    Thank you Ian for the $25 contribution to our new L70+DYS462=8 WTY campaign!

    This WTY donation drive is for an L70 (estimated or confirmed) person having DYS462=8. The person contributing the most funds toward the required $750 goal qualifies for the WTY. In case of a tie the project administrator will decide the best candidate from those that are tied. If the highest contributor is anonymous then the project administrator will select the best candidate from the L70-gamma cluster having DYS462=8.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 31 Mar 2011 (19:00 PDT): Walk Through the Y (WTY) UPDATE (NEW SNPs!)
  • Kit N9797's, L25*(10) Kerala-b cluster, WTY is complete and 4 new SNPs were found! They are L530, L531, L532, and L534! Details of these new SNPs can be found on FTDNA's Y-Map website. Enter the website, clear the Landmark or Region box, and enter the SNP name (L530 ... etc.). In the Scroll/Zoom change the Show 1 bp to Show 100 bp. If you click on the SNP name a new window opens showing more details of the SNP.

    Unfortunately L530, L531, and L532 cover Y-chromosome regions not explored by the WTY of the previous J-L24 project members. Thus we are unable to confirm the positions of these SNPs on the J-L24 Y-tree until there is a WTY upgrade or these SNPs are offered for sale by FTDNA.

    Except for kits 112552, N5814, and 56667, I was able to check previous WTY members for L534 and they were all L534-. L534 shows up now on FTDNA's Draft J-L24 Y-Tree as a subclade of L192.2. L534 is then a SNP for the L25*(10) Kerala-b cluster!

    We look forward to checking these new SNPs in more details in the months ahead!

    More information on the WTY research program can be found HERE.

  • 30 Mar 2011 (20:12 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 98.00 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 1.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 testing: 1.00 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 35.30 USD,
    Reserved for L239 testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for Deep Clade-J for 88695: 30.00 USD.
    Available funds: 1.70 USD.


    The project, through your contributions, at this time, has tested 1 member for DYS462 for $16.70. Thank you for your support of the project's research efforts! All donations recieved go to the DNA testing of your fellow project members.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 24 Mar 2011 (08:38 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 114.70 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 1.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 testing: 1.00 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 52.00 USD,
    Reserved for L239 testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for Deep Clade-J for 88695: 30.00 USD.
    Available funds: 1.70 USD.


    Thank you Robert for the $20 donation.

    The project, through your contributions, at this time, has tested 1 member for M318 for $29 and 2 members for DYS462 for $7.20 each. Thank you for your support of the project's research efforts! All donations received go to the DNA testing of your fellow project members.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 22 Mar 2011 (08:17 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 138.10 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 1.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 testing: 10.00 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 66.40 USD,
    Reserved for L239 testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for Deep Clade-J for 88695: 30.00 USD.
    Available funds: 1.70 USD.


    The project, through your contributions, at this time, has tested 1 member for L192.2 and two members for L398 for $29 each. In addition 17 members were tested for DYS462 at $7.20 each and 6 members for $16.70 each. Thank you for your support of your fellow L24 members and the projects research efforts!

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 15 Mar 2011 (20:50 PDT): A New Research Paper regarding L24 and DYS445=6.

  • I recieved a new paper published by Dr. Roy King of Standford University. It concerns our own L24 clade (called M530 in this paper!) because it discusses DYS445=6 cases in Anatolia, France, and Corsica. You can find a freely accessible copy of the paper here: The coming of the Greeks to Provence and Corsica.

  • 15 Mar 2011 (20:50 PDT): L396, L397, and L398 Testing Update.

  • These three SNPs are the most important that we have discovered recently! We need help in testing L397 and in particular L398 because recently we found two members that are L398-. If at all feasible it would be most helpful for our understanding of the L70 genetic tree for L70 members to test L397 and L398, if they have not already done so. At a minimum test L398 so we can determine how large this L398- group may be and achieve an understanding of the marker (Y-STR) structure of this L398- group.

    The two L70 members that were found L398- are kits N13499 (Sicily) and 93197 (Portugal). Both are testing L70 to confirm they are indeed L70+. Kit N13499 has tested with SMGF (Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation) and he has DYS445=6 and DYS462=8. We are testing DYS462 on 93197 at this time. Kit N13499 has tested 67 markers, but 93197 only 12 markers and we need to work on an upgrade for 93197. Both N13499 and 93197 are members of the new L70-gamma cluster. I have checked kit N13499's closest matches and asked them to test L398.

  • 15 Mar 2011 (20:50 PDT): A new L25*(6) cluster having DYS472=9.

  • Kamel Al-Gazzah, co-administrator of the project, noticed something interesting during an examination of marker alleles across different haplogroups. He noticed that DYS472=9 apparently showed up only in the L25*(6) subcluster of haplogroup J-L25. There were nine project members, all classified as L25*(6). That is, they are confirmed or predicted to be L25+, L70-, with DYS445=6. We did further checking with a 67 marker spreadsheet of 25000+ haplotypes provided by Marko Heinila and we found 25084 samples of DYS472=8 and 53 samples of DYS472=9 haplotypes. No other alleles were observed. This makes DYS472=9 very rare at about 0.2% of the known cases of DYS472. Most cases of DYS472=9 showed up in haplogroups E1b, and R1b. I checked each of our nine cases of DYS472=9 to see if they clustered close to each other and they do but the connections are weak. Each case showed a strong connection with the L25*(6) Cress cluster which is L270+. Also one other DYS472=9 person, kit 159806, is L367+ but he is, at 20 mismatches or so, not all that close to the others having DYS472=9. The matching of the L25*(6) members with DYS472=9 with each other was close enough and distinct enough that I moved them all into their own cluster. It is cluster 0302 L25*(6), DYS472=9 on our projects Y-DNA results page shown HERE. J-L24 SNPs L270 and L367 need to be tested for members of this new cluster and we will be working on accomplishing that in the near future.

  • 15 Mar 2011 (20:50 PDT): L70 subcluster revision.

  • Recently while working with the L70-epsilon cluster I found that I could not separate it cleanly from L70-gamma using marker mismatching, which is the primary clustering method I use. By this method a cluster is defined, approximately, by members all of which match each other closest and no one else. As a result I found that I had to merge the current L70-epsilon cluster with the current L70-gamma cluster. Then I started to cluster L70-gamma with haplotypes in the L70-Unclustered group and I found that L70-gamma kept growing larger and larger until after several weeks of work I found L70-gamma was the dominant cluster in L70. L70-gamma also had a number of smaller more tightly bound subclusters, but I have not worked out their details yet. Currently, in my L70 database of 613 L70(xM137,M318) haplotypes, there are 223 L70-gamma haplotypes (36.4%). The L70-gamma modal is identical to that of L70. This makes sense since L70-gamma is a dominant component of L70. Unique marker features to L70-gamma compared to L25 are what we have come to expect from L70. Features such as DYS391=9, DYS437=14, DYS464a=11, DYS511=10,..., etc. are typical of L70-gamma haplotypes as compared to L25.

    In the weeks ahead I will be moving L70-Unclustered members to the new L70-gamma. With time, which may take several months, I will contact all of you in the new L70-gamma with a summary of your closest matches. There still will be an L70-Unclustered group but it will be much smaller than what we have currently. The main problem with the L70-Unclustered haplotypes is that too few markers have been tested to confidently place one in a known L70 cluster. It seems, unfortunately, as a minimum, we need our L70 clade members to test at least 37 markers.

    I am not in a rush to move members in L70 because we have questions regarding how the new SNPs, L397 and L398, will play into the L70 clusters. At this time it looks relatively clear that both L70-beta and L70-gamma are L397+ and L398+, but recently we have found members of L70-gamma that are L398-, and we don't have sufficient haplotype information at this time to determine the marker characteristics of the L398- group.

  • 15 Mar 2011 (08:00 PDT): DYS462 Testing Update.

  • Co-administrator Tim Janzen has taken a great interest in the DYS462 marker since within L70, and particularly within L70-gamma, DYS462 has undergone a mini-deletion from the ancestral state of DYS462=10 to DYS462=8. In our available offline L70 database (about 640 total haplotypes) there is only one case of DYS462=9 that has showed up so far. Thus it appears that DYS462 likes to drop in two steps from DYS462=10 to DYS462=8. The reason is unknown. Both allele states are very stable for a Y-STR (marker). SNPs of course would be much more stable. A research question that has come up is that Tim conjectures that DYS462=8 occurred only once perhaps 3000 years ago and thus today we see a high diversity of DYS462=8 haplotypes. My own conjecture is that DYS462=8 has occurred multiple times over the approximate 3000 year history of L70-gamma over already existing diverse haplotypes. The first step in addressing these different viewpoints is to collect data on DYS462. Tim has asked project members for their help and the response was outstanding with 29 project members testing DYS462! The result of this testing was that only 1 out of the 29 testing was found with DYS462=8. All others were DYS462=10 which is the modal, most common and ancestral allele of DYS462 in L70. To gather additional information Tim is offering to pay for the testing of 36 more non L70-beta members who haven't already tested DYS462, at no cost to them. He will contact specific project members. We will keep project members informed of testing results and analysis efforts for this DYS462=8 research.

    Members of the J-L24-Y-DNA Project with DYS462=8 (9 total) are kits: N13499, 47564, 50950, N13785, 151026, 20988, 46325, 55676, and 86051. In our L70 database currently having 640 haplotypes we have the following frequency of occurrence for alleles of DYS462: DYS462=8, 30 samples (16.5%), DYS462=9, 1 sample (0.6%), DYS462=10, 149 samples (82.3%), and DYS462=11, 1 sample (0.6%) . No other alleles have been observed. We have one member that is M318 (kit 144812) and he has DYS462=10. We have two members that are M137 but we have not yet tested them for DYS462.

  • 15 Mar 2011 (08:00 PDT): Walk Through the Y (WTY) UPDATE

  • Recently FTDNA offered their first discount for Walk Through the Y (WTY) testing. The WTY was offered for $500 (normally $750) for a limited time (Facts & Genes: Vol 9, Issue 1, February 2011 email). Two J-L24-Y-DNA project members, taking advantage of this offer, enrolled in the WTY research program. They are kits: N67066, L25*(10) Cohen cluster, and N9797, L25*(10) Kerala-b cluster. We wish them both success in finding new SNPs! We will monitor developments in the weeks ahead.

    More information on the WTY research program can be found HERE.

  • 15 Mar 2011 (07:33 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 447.70 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 30.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70 testing: 68.00 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 289.00 USD,
    Reserved for L239 testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for Deep Clade-J for 88695: 30.00 USD.
    Available funds: 1.70 USD.


    Thank you Stewart for the $10 contribution for DYS462 testing.
    Tim contributed $250 for DYS462 testing.
    AAA contributed $50 for general use.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 27 Feb 2011 (16:00 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 115.90 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 10.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70-beta testing: 15.00 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 26.20 USD,
    Reserved for L239 testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for Deep Clade-J for 88695: 20.00 USD.
    Available funds: 15.70 USD.


    Thank you Ian for the $10 contribution for 88695 testing.
    AAA contributed $60 for general use.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 14 Feb 2011 (07:06 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 69.80 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 1.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70-beta testing: 11.00 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 26.20 USD,
    Reserved for L239 testing: 29.00 USD,
    Reserved for Deep Clade-J for 88695: 0.00
    Available funds: 2.60 USD.


    Thank you Fernando for the $7.20 contribution.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 07 Feb 2011 (13:28 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 113.20 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 1.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70-beta testing: 40.00 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 33.40 USD,
    Reserved for L239 testing: 29.00 USD,
    Available funds: 9.80 USD.


    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 03 Feb 2011 (05:56 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 162.20 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 50.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70-beta testing: 40.00 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 33.40 USD,
    Reserved for L239 testing: 29.00 USD,
    Available funds: 9.80 USD.


    Thank you Justin for the $25 donation!
    AAA donated $50 for general use.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 23 Jan 2011 (08:25 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 116.20 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 50.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70-beta testing: 40.00 USD,
    Reserved for DYS462 testing: 25.20 USD,
    Available funds: 1.00 USD.


    Thank you Ian for the $20 donation for DYS462 testing!

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 15 Jan 2011 (18:35 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 96.20 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 50.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70-beta testing: 40.00 USD,
    Available funds: 6.20 USD.


    AAA donated $20.00 for general use.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 13 Jan 2011 (08:00 PST): L70-beta UPDATE.

  • Who belongs to L70-beta?
    By L70-beta we mean that you are confirmed or predicted to be L70+ and a member of the "beta" cluster within L70. The current members of this cluster in the J-L24-Y-DNA project are shown in the project "Y-DNA Classic Chart" shown HERE. The clusters are numbered sequentially and L70-beta is, currently, cluster number 0401. Scroll down the page to cluster number 0401 and you will see the L70-beta cluster haplotypes (set of markers tested for each person). L70-beta is defined basically by having your closest matches with one another and no one else. This constraint leads to revealing specific marker (Y-STR) characteristics. Some of these DNA result characteristics, most common in L70-beta, are DYS385=14-16, DYS448=19, DYS464=13-13-15-15, YCAII=19-21, and DYS572=10. Of course with Y-STRs (Y-chromosome Short Term Repeats, or "markers") there is always variation so please do not take these characteristics as absolute indicators of L70-beta as there will be variation.

    Where do L70-beta members come from?
    Based on the genetic information so far, it appears that the recent paternal ancestry of L70-beta is in Northeastern Europe with the majority of the L70-beta members, in decreasing order, from Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, and Belarus. There is also one L70-beta member from Syria which serves to indicate the point of origin of L70-beta is likely in the area of Southern Turkey or Northern Syria. The age of L70-beta is estimated based on the diversity of the haplotypes as measured by the summed variance (a mathematical procedure) of the marker results. The variance of L70-beta indicates an age of approximately 1600 +/-200 years ago.

    L70-beta SNPs: L396, L397, and L398
    Orders for testing these L70-beta SNPs for kits 173911, 160504, 164554, and 4515 went to the Houston Lab on Wednesday. Also two others who are L70+, kits N14008 and N24979, but not in the L70-beta cluster are testing the 3 SNPs. We are hoping that kits 173911 and 160504 will be positive for one or more of these SNPs, indicating a deeper ancestry for the SNPs and perhaps a SNP defining the entire L70-beta cluster. The results from kits N14008 and N24979 will indicate if one or more of the 3 SNPs are found outside L70-beta within the larger L70 clade itself. L70 is a subclade of L25 and I have already checked, among 7 of us who are L25(xL70) (L25+ and L70-) and who have taken the "Walk Through the Y" (WTY) test, that the 3 SNPs do not show up outside (upstream) of L70. Technical details of the three SNPs can be found on FTDNA's draft L24 (J2a4h) TREE. Just click on a SNP name L396, L397, or L398 and you will be taken to FTDNA's YMap website where more details of these, and other, SNPs can be found. As you can see, FTDNA has already determined that L396 is a subclade of L397 and L398! It appears then that L396 may be unique to kit N3433 (Lissak) or it may have occurred earlier at the node called "mv1" ("median vector 1") in the L70-beta Y-STR tree shown HERE (posted 10 Dec 2010). We'll have a better idea in "Round 2" testing when we test kits N13693 and 156161. Kit 59681 is not in our J-L24-Y-DNA project, but in the Jewish Project, and YFWGR is from Ysearch.

    What do the new SNP results do for me personally?
    They will give you insight into the longer term ancestry of your paternal lineage and help you determine which of your "matches" is truly closest to you genetically. However we want to be clear that SNPs are not likely to immediately help you find close paternal relatives.

    The thing is that SNPs mutate very slowly and they therefore define trees more or less absolutely for so long as a paternal lineage survives (which could be, as we are witness today, 10's of thousands of years). Y-STRs (markers) however mutate much faster, up and down, so that trees based on them are in a constant, compared to SNPs, state of flux. It is SNPs which determine the branch points of the genetic tree. We already know you have the SNPs that mark the Y-chromosome J branch, and J2 branch, ..., etc., all the way down to your current J2a4h-L70 classification. Now, with these new SNPs, we have the chance to correctly define and confirm the structure of the L70-beta genetic tree and figure out the order of development and the migrations of the members of this cluster. We may confirm that our initial Y-STR tree is correct, or we could discover that we have the story wrong! Either way, we will learn more. And as we discover new relevent SNPs in the future, we will continue to fine tune the L70-betra story --- your story!

    Thanks Deb for your help with this post!

  • 12 Jan 2011 (06:40 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 76.20 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 50.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70-beta testing: 22.50 USD,
    Available funds: 3.70 USD.


    Orders to test L396, L397, and L398 for kits 173911, 160504, 164554, 4515, N14008, and N24979 go to FTDNA's Houston Lab today.

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 08 Jan 2011 (09:15 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 172.70 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 50.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70-beta testing: 119.00 USD,
    Available funds: 3.70 USD.


    Thank you Max for the $40 donation for L70-beta testing.
    I have placed orders for kits 173911, 160504, and 164554 to test the new L70-beta SNPs (L396, L397, and L398). Also I have placed the order for kit 4515 but the funds have not yet been deducted from the project general fund. We have reached our round 1 funding goal of $380 and gone a bit beyond. Results should be available in a few weeks. Also two others in L70 (not in L70-beta) have ordered L396, L397, and L398 (kits N14008 and N24979). These will help us further define the range of coverage of these SNPs. Thanks again to everyone for your wonderful support in this testing campaign!

    The direct contribution (donation) link for the J-L24-Y-DNA Project is given HERE.

  • 07 Jan 2011 (07:56 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 393.70 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 50.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70-beta testing: 340.00 USD,
    Available funds: 3.70 USD.


    Thank you Debra for the $50 donation for L70-beta testing.
    Thank you Ben for the $100 donation for L70-beta testing.
    We have enough funds now to start testing kits 173911, 160504, and 164554 for the new L70-beta SNPs (L396, L397, and L398). I have placed the orders but the funds have not yet been deducted from the project general fund. We have almost reached our goal of $380 for this round of testing. We need $40 more. The project members response has been outstanding! After this round 1 of testing we'll have a much better idea of how to proceed with further testing of the L70-beta SNPs. The results of testing of kits 173911 and 160505 will be key in deciding how to proceed with follow-on testing.


  • 06 Jan 2011 (16:45 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 243.70 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 50.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70-beta testing: 190.00 USD,
    Available funds: 3.70 USD.


    Thank you Brad for the $50 donation for L70-beta testing.
    We have enough funds now to start testing kits 173911 and 164554. Next we'll test kits 160504 and 4515. After this round 1 of testing we'll have a much better idea of how to proceed with further testing. Thank you all in the J-L24 project for your great help in this effort! We still need contributions though. We have not completed our task yet.


  • 06 Jan 2011 (08:46 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 193.70 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 50.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70-beta testing: 133.00 USD,
    Available funds: 10.70 USD.


    Thank you Cynthia for the $150 donation for L70-beta testing. I have ordered testing of L396, L397, and L398 for N14008.
    The project email last night was sent as a test only to my own cluster (Aburto) to check formatting but instead it went out to everyone in the project! I apologize for that error! The bulk email was ultimately intended only for the L70-beta cluster. Please disregard that email if you are not L70-beta.


  • 06 Jan 2011 (05:56 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 180.70 USD,
    Reserved for N14008: 50.00 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 50.00 USD,
    Reserved for L70-beta testing: 70.00 USD,
    Available funds: 10.70 USD.


    Thank you Paul for the 50.00 USD donation for L70-beta testing. The project email last night was a test only to my own cluster (Aburto) but instead it went out to everyone in the project.


  • 31 Dec 2010 (09:20 PST): HAPPY NEW YEAR!

  • We (David Dugas, Kamel Gazzah, and myself Al Aburto) started this project on 30 March 2009 and today we have 322 members (about 280 are predicted or estimated L24+) and we have made great strides in understanding the genetic structure and history of the J-L24 clade! We have a great deal more to learn! Consider for example that J2 is about 10% (likely on the low side, but this is just an example) of the people of the Middle East and that L24 is about 1/4 of that or about 2% of the people of the Middle East. Say then that there are 100 million males (low side again) in the Middle East then 2% of that is 2 million L24's! Two million L24's at least. Imagine then the diversity of L24 out there in the world. It must be huge and our project just shows a tiny fraction of that diversity. So indeed we have yet a long ways to go to understand the details and diversity of L24 (J2a4h). We have just barely begun.

    This year we have gained two new co-administrators, Debra Katz and Tim Janzen. Debra has her own project (J2a4_Levant) and she is an expert in Jewish genealogy and genetics. Tim is a co-administrator of the J project and an expert in L70 genealogy and genetics.

    Sadly, yesterday we learned that David Dugas has left the project as co-administrator. We, I personally, will miss him and the wonderful support he has provided to this project! David is a young person, recently married with one child and another on the way, and with a great job and career ahead of him. He leaves to concentrate on his family and career. I'm hoping, years ahead in the future, when he is retired with a few idle moments here and there that he will return to this project. We wish him smooth sailing in his journey ahead.

    We, David Dugas included, wish you all the best in the New Year!

  • 24 Dec 2010 (20:15 PST): PROJECT UPDATE.
  • NEW SNPs
    Kit N3433's WTY is underway and so far 3 new SNPs have been found! They have been designated as L396, L397, and L398. These are SNPs within our projects L70-beta cluster. One or more of these SNPs may define the L70-beta cluster and members of the L70-beta cluster may have one or more, or none, of these mutations in their Y-chromosome. It will be very interesting determining the depth and coverage of these SNPs! I have done a phylogenetic tree of the L70-beta cluster based on Y-STRs. You can view the L70-tree in our project results section for 10 Dec 2010. It will be very interesting checking out the accuracy of this tree with the new SNPs. For example, trusting the accuracy of the tree, we expect, at the very least, kits 164554 and 4515 to be derived (positive) for L396, L397, and L398 as well.

    L192.2 RESULTS
    We have tested L192.2 on a number of our members and we have found kit N21925 (Turkey) and kit 189339 (Armenia) are L192.2+. We found in addition that kits 85998, 141769, N67066, 131218, and 70010 were L192.2-. In addition kit N9797 (India) who is L192.2+ was found to be L271-. L271 represents the MSaken clade and it is a subclade of L192.2.

  • 21 Dec 2010 (20:15 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 109.70 USD,
    Reserved for 42362: 15.80 USD,
    Reserved for N14008: 50.00 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 40.00 USD,
    Available funds: 3.90 USD.


  • 07 Dec 2010 (08:13 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 125.70 USD,
    Reserved for 42362: 15.80 USD,
    Reserved for N14008: 50.00 USD,
    Reserved for L192.2 testing: 25.00 USD,
    Available funds: 34.90 USD.


    We have started a donation fund for testing individuals in the L192.2 cluster.

  • 20 Nov 2010 (18:06 PST): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: 92.40 USD,
    Reserved for 42362: 15.80 USD,
    Reserved for N14008: 50.00 USD,
    Available funds: 26.60 USD.


    A WTY has been started for Lissak (kit N3433).

  • 04 Nov 2010 (05:48 PDT): DONATIONS UPDATE.
  • Our donation status is as follows:
    General Fund: $828.10 USD,
    Reserved for 42362: 15.80 USD,
    Reserved for N14008: 50.00 USD,
    Reserved for N3433 WTY: 750.00 USD,
    Available funds: 12.30 USD.


  • 31 Oct 2010 (15:14 PDT): L192.2 Shows Deep Depth and Scope!

  • The L192.2 SNP is showing deep depth in time and also a wide scope over individuals. The most recent L192.2+ person is kit N9797 (Manakalathil, India). He is a member of our L25*(10) Kerala-b cluster. In addition we have kit 55151 (Onat, Iran), kit 110343 (Talhouni, Libya), kit 112552 (Al-Gazzah, Tunisia), and kit 164560 (Mahjoub, Tunisia) who is relatively close to kit 112552 at a mismatch of 7 out of 67 common markers. The others, though, have widely different haplotypes mismatching on 18 to 22 markers out of 67 common markers tested. The MRCA (Most Recent Common Ancestor) of the L192.2+ clade is estimated to have lived approximately 3200+/-400 years ago, using Ken Nordtvedt's Generation5.xls program. The haplotypes are so different that 67 markers is inadequate to isolate L192.2+ haplotypes. One needs to work on the individual haplotypes or the Kerala-b and Msaken clusters searching for more recent matches, but the problem is that except within the Msaken and Kerala-b clusters themselves, there are no other close matches! It will take time to find others. The only help is for one to examine the phylogenetic tree for L25 in detail and match what we know to see if additional clues might fall out. This is how Kamel and Ted Kendall became aware that kit N9797 might be L192.2+. Other than that, it is pretty much pure guess work trying to determine who else might be L192.2+.
    Currently kit 85998 (Mathew, India, cluster "L25*(10) Kerala-a"), kit 141769 (Obegi, Syria Arab Republic, cluster L25*(10) Syrian-Anatolian), and kit N21925 (Izat, Turkey, cluster L25*(10) Unclustered) are testing L192.2. Likely they will be L192.2-, but there is no other way to know except to test! The Mughal-Timurid cluster may also be L192.2+ so testing one member at least would be helpful. Our goal is to have a new L25 tree(s) published soon so that we may discern these relationships more clearly.
    I suspect that the Kerala-b haplotypes are the oldest so far found within L192.2, as they have DYS390=23 which is ancestral in L25 and in J2 in general. All other L192.2 haplotypes have DYS390=24. The youngest is probably the Msaken cluster which has DYS391=9 while all others have the ancestral DYS391=10. The Talhouni haplotypes are unique with their DYS454=7 and their DYS444=10. It will be very interesting following developments in L192.2 in the months ahead.

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