Guthrie - Results

MEMBERSHIP & RECRUITMENT:
Guthrie DNA Project membership continues to grow with over 80 participants. We encourage everyone to recruit your Guthrie genealogy contacts to participate in DNA testing. We also ask for help from our Guthrie cousins living in Scotland and Ireland by joining the project.

GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUPS:
There are currently 14 genetically unique Guthrie Family Groups identified by Y-DNA testing.

Placement into a group is made by the project administrators based on matching genetic results provided by Family Tree DNA (FTDNA). Each group descends from a common Guthrie ancestor. They are also not genetically related to the other groups. 

Group size varies depending on the number of genetic matches. Our smallest group has only 2 matches. Our largest has 20 and is still growing.

Two of the main Guthrie Family Groups have a sub-group. These share the same historical ancestry or paper trail, but have been identified as being genetically different. These situations might result from incorrect research, paternal events or adoptions.

There is also a list of members who do not match any of the established Guthrie Family Groups. One reason for this is simply that there are no other participants who share their particular ancestral Guthrie line. Join! Your genetic cousin could be waiting for your help! 

MEMBERS of INDIVIDUAL FAMILY GROUPS are ENCOURAGED to COLLABORATE on ANCESTRAL RESEARCH
GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 1A: MIDDLESEX
The MIDDLESEX FAMILY GROUP's 10 participants can trace their ancestry to the ancient Guthries of Guthrie who first built the stone castle. Since the Guthries of Kincaldrum, the Guthries of Craige, the Guthries of Hawkertown are all related, a dna profile has been establish for them. There are several lines we would very much like to find a living male from so that we could get a test done: Edward Guthrie (who lived across the river from West Point, VA.), John Guthrie (who lived on the Poropotank River), an early Tennessee Guthrie, David Guthrie (who lived about 1720 in northeastern North Carolina).

GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 1B: VIRGINIA/KENTUCKY
The paper trail of traditional research leads its descendants back to the same ancestors of the Middlesex Group. However, DNA has revealed that a different bloodline exists for this particular branch. Most common surname matches are with the Pyle/Pile name.

GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 2A: MARYLAND/PENNSYLVANIA
The MARYLAND/PENNSYLVANIA FAMILY GROUP is our largest group of participants with 20+ genetic matches. They represent a very extensive Guthrie tree that has no less than 8 distinct Colonial American branches stretching back to early PA, CT, and MD. The search for their ancestors points to immigration from Northern Ireland, and prior to that from Scotland. Famous descendants include Dr Samuel Guthrie (discoverer of chloroform), and Winston Churchill. See their website at Guthrie Genealogy for details on current results, origin theories, recruitment, traditional research, photos, documents, and information on DNA Test sponsorship. 

GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 2B: THOMAS/MILDRED
The paper trail of traditional research leads 2 close cousins back to ancestors Thomas Guthrie & Mildred Howell. Based on other genetic data this lineage is an expected GFG:2A match, but the DNA reveals a different surname match: Vaughn. A search of census data reveals the household of a Daniel Vaughn as a neighbor to Thomas Guthrie Jr, suggesting the occurrence of a paternal event or adoption into the Guthrie household during the early 1800s.

GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 3A: DONALD'S GROUP
This group is working together to explore possible ancestral ties. Their newest genetic match has given them an important new clue. A possible ancestor: Francis Guthrie of Colerain Township, Lancaster County, PA. Most of their lineages trace back to colonial PA or VA. The group also has two 67-marker matches with participants of the GRAY surname.

GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 3B: DONALD'S GROUP 2
Additional members linked to this group share a historical tie to the lineage rather than a genetic one.

GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 4: HARVEY/KENNETH
All descendants of the HARVEY/KENNETH group have ties to lineages in Cumberland County, Virginia. They currently have 6 matches.

GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 5: MORRIS/WILLIAM
The MORRIS/WILLIAM FAMILY GROUP consists of 6 members who have ties in Virginia, Georgia, and Illinois. They continue to search for a common ancestor.

GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 6: DELAWARE - MILL CREEK HUNDRED
The DE-MCH group traces their ancestry back to William Guthrie who immigrated to Delaware in the 1700s. This family lived in Mill Creek Hundred in New Castle County before branching out to Pennsylvania and other colonies and territories. This group, like the unrelated MD/PA Group, has Irish origins.

GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 7: VAN ALAN
The VAN ALAN FAMILY GROUP includes lines from Pennsylvania and Virginia. There are currently 4 matches.

GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 8: VIRGINIA-HALIFAX
The VIRGINIA/HALIFAX GROUP consist of 4 participants who have links to Halifax County, Virginia. They continue to search for their common ancestor.

GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 9: GREEN/PADGETT
Two participants who have not shared their Guthrie lineage with the project appear to be a match for each other, although one has only a 12-marker test result at this time. There are no other Guthrie surname matches. The most common surname matches for these individuals are Green and Padgett. The lineages listed for their matches include a Green family branch from Franklin County, NC in the mid-1700s.

GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 10: EAST TENNESSEE
These participants descend from Andrew Guthrie c1801-1867 & Isabella Rader of East Tennessee. Haplogroup I1.

GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 11: BALLEW/BALLOU
There are currently 3 genetic matches in this group whose Guthrie lineage can be traced back to 1769 Virginia. However, their most common surname matches are that of the Ballew/Ballou surname. This suggests a genetic break in the Guthrie line through a paternal event sired by a Ballew/Ballou male or adoption of a Ballew/Ballou child into the Guthrie family. Research challenges for this Guthrie line include identifying the historical Guthrie lineage to which they belong, as well as the likely generation the paternal event or adoption occurred.

GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 12: BENBOW
There are currently 2 participants matching this genetic group. Haplogroup I2a. They descend from Robert Guthrie 1733SCT-1856TN & Elizabeth Smith. Their most common surname match is Benbow making it likely that a paternal event or adoption occurred at some point in this Guthrie line's history.

GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 13: ANTRIM NORTHERN IRELAND
There are currently 2 participants matching this genetic group. Haplogroup I2b1. The two participants descend from James Guthrie 1762 Antrim - 1839 NY & Jane Smith and Robert Guthrie 1773 NC - 1856 TN & Mary Jane Norwood. They have not yet identified a common ancestor.

GUTHRIE FAMILY GROUP 14: JOYCE
There are currently 2 participants matching this genetic group. Haplogroup R1b1a2. Descendants most commonly match the Joyce surname making it likely that a paternal event or adoption occurred at some point in this Guthrie line's history. 

UNGROUPED MEMBERS
Participants who do not genetically match the above Guthrie Family Groups fall into one of three categories: 

1) GUTHRIES WITHOUT GENETIC MATCHES: POOR PARTICIPATION. These are men of the Guthrie surname, and potentially with established Guthrie lineages, who do not have a genetic match with any of the Guthrie Family Groups. This might be related to poor participation from other descendants of their family line.


Recommendation: recruit cousins from amongst the descendants of your furthest proven ancestor. It is preferable to include a male Guthrie cousin from each of your furthest known ancestor's male offspring. EX: If your gggg-grandfather had 3 sons, Robert, James, and John, and you descend from John, try to recruit a male Guthrie who descends from Robert and/or James. If you can only find another descendant of John, that's still okay, but try to find one that isn't a really close cousin.

2) GUTHRIES WITHOUT GENETIC MATCHES: PATERNAL EVENTS/ADOPTIONS. These are men of the Guthrie surname who seem to have a lot of genetic matches with people of a completely different surname, yet don't seem to match any of the other Guthrie groups. If you don't match the Guthrie Family Group you suspect your ancestral line belongs, then you might be dealing with a paternal event or an adoption at some point in your ancestral line. Keep in mind that your Y-DNA is handed down father to son generation after generation. The 'switch' in DNA might have taken place in recent history or much, much further back on your family lineage.

If you suspect that the difference in DNA occurred recently consider discussing options with your family before pursuing further testing options.
Should you decide to proceed with narrowing down the timeframe, try to recruit Guthrie males with whom you share a common ancestor at a different generational step along your paternal tree. Start with the generations closest to you and work backward. EX: 1st: Your father. 2nd: Your father's brother; 3rd: Your paternal grandfather; 4th: Your paternal great-grandfather, or his other son (your grand-uncle), or his other Guthrie grandsons/great-grandsons. 5th: Etc.

3) MEN WITH OTHER SURNAMES. Participants who do not have Guthrie as a surname join the Guthrie Surname Project if they know or suspect that they are likely to have Guthrie DNA. Remember that Y-DNA (the kind used for this project) is passed down only from father to son. So if your great-great-grandmother was a Guthrie, participation in this project will not help you identify Guthrie cousins. Men whose surnames are not Guthrie will be placed with a Guthrie group if the DNA matches. Men whose surnames are not Guthrie who do not match a Guthrie group will remain in the Ungrouped area, most likely because you do not have Guthrie DNA. Should future participants match the individual's DNA, a new Guthrie group would be formed.

4) POTENTIAL BUT UNCONFIRMED MATCHES. In some cases it appears that two individuals might be a match, but one or both of them has tested at only 12 markers. At the initial testing stage of 12-markers, Guthrie DNA has been found to be quite homogeneous. Most of us share ancient origins in the R1a or R1b Haplogroup. These are frequently reflected in exact or very close 12-marker matches, yet testing at the current standard of 37 or 67 markers easily allows for differentiation of the various Guthrie bloodlines. Please upgrade your Y-DNA test to a minimum of 37 markers.

PUBLIC Y-DNA RESULTS:
Basic results are found on the Guthrie DNA Project's Y-DNA Colorized Report.

Members have access to more detailed information on their private password protected FTDNA Results Page, which includes a list of genetic markers, genetic matches and estimated Genetic Distances, tools for re-calculating Genetic Distance based upon known ancestry, contact information for their genetic matches, and automated notifications of new matches.