R1b-L513 Hg: L513+, DF1+, Z249+, CTS5396+ - News

2012-11-??: L1333 was discovered in Walk-The-Y (WTY) testing in Wilson.

2012-06-04: L706.2 has now been added to the official ISOGG Y DNA tree. L706.2 is directly downstream of L513 and is a direct ancestor to L705.2.

2012-02-14: Brad McGuire continues to promote and drive progress on L69 for Subgroup A-2. 16 of 16 members of A-2 who have tested for L69 are L69+. Brad has conversed with FTDNA's Lab Director Thomas Krahn about L69. It appears to be somewhat unstable but within the context of L513+ people, L69 has been very consistent. Krahn said this would be the 4th observed occurrence of L69 in the Y DNA tree so it would be L69.5 when appearing in an L513+ person. L69+ people in A-2 should still test for L513 to confirm they are L69.5+.

2012-02-10: Two members of Subgroup B-2 have tested as L705.2-. To-date, 14 members of B-2 have been L705.2+. It might be that L705.2+ occurred after the MRCA of B-2 and the B-2 L705.2- people are an early branch prior to L705.2. L705.2 is appearing on the ISOGG official Y DNA tree as L705.2. L706.2+ occurred along side L705.2+ in the first four L705.2+ people so L706.2 may be phylogenetically equivalent.
2012-01-19: An L513+ Roberts was identified as having two new SNPs disovered in Walk-The-Y (WTY) testing. They L908 and L909. Each subgroup of L513+ should test for L908 and L909.

2011-11-02: Another member of Subgroup A-2 has been found to be L69+. There are now several people in the A-2*, A-2-M and A-2-B subgroups that are L69+. There are two that are P66+. L69+ is considered not to be stable, but within the scope of L513+ people it appears to be reliably marking some subset of A-2 people. A-2 people should be sure to test for L513, L69 and P66, all three. As a whole, A-2, appears to coincide with Airghialla II.

2011-10-05: A member of the Subgroup B-2 has been found to be L705.2+. As testing has continued, L705 appears to mark most of the B-2 subgroup but is negative in other subgroups. Among others a person of continental European descent, from France, has been found L705.2+.

2011-06-28: We have now have both a person from Scandinavia (Sweden) and the European Continent (Saxony, Germany) that are L513+. Early TMRCA age estimates are coming in at about 2200 ybp, 200 B.C.

2011-06-02: Almost every subgroup of the project has now been tested to be L513+.  It is now apparent that the SNP L513 is the key marker for this group. People in the project that are P314.2+ should join the DF21 project as that is an exclusive parallel subclade.

2011-05-19: Thomas Krahn of FTDNA has updated his draft Y DNA tree and has indicated that L513 and P314.2 are exclusive, parallel subclades of R-L21. He also determined that L193 and P66 are descended from L513.

2011-04-30b: Four individuals in the project have been found to be positive for L513, a newly discovered SNP from the 1000 Genome Project. These four people are from different Subgroups so L513 could be an SNP that marks this group as a true subclade.

2011-04-30a: An additional person within the project has come up with a P314.2+ SNP result.  This is a surprise as this P314.2+ person has DYS388=12 rather than the unusual DYS388=13 at that very slow moving STR marker. P314.2 could be wider spread across than originally expected. This the value of doing "deep clade package" SNP testing.

2011-03-11: L513 was added to the FTDNA Draft Tree by Lab Director Thomas Krahn.

2011-03-05: Two members of a Subgroup have been found to be P66+. P66+ is an unusual SNP. It also been found in an sample from Italy but of a person who's heritage was not documented. P66 is physically located in a area of the Y chromosome that is subject to being wiped out by a recLOH event and being reset to P66-.

2011-03-04: FTDNA and Ysearch.org are now using new haplogroup labels.  R-L21 is now R1b1a2a1a1b4 and L193 and P314.2 both have official status as subclades. L193+ people are now R1b1a2a1a1b4g and P314.2+ people are R1b1a2a1a1b4i. These two SNP's are now also included in FTDNA's universal deep clade test package which means we may find more folks that have this as they order this test package.

2011-02-11: The SNP DF1, also named L513 by FTDNA, was discovered by an anonymous researcher on the R1b citizen-scientist team. "DF" is the letter designation used by citizen-scientists and hobbyists on the old DNA-Forums blog.

2010-09-22: Project web site and Yahoo group web site have been updated to reflect the findings of L193+ and P314.2+.

2010-02-20: There are now 163 people in the project.

2010-02-08: Updated and a re-arrangement of the subgroups have been made to maintain tighter clustering at the lowest levels of the hierarchy.

2010-01-16: Several new surname groups have been identified. A major group of people that fit in are surnamed Little/Lytle.

2010-01-15: Several people in Subgroup A-1 have been been found positive for the new SNP, L193. People in Subgroup A-2, B, C and E have not been found to be positive on L193.

2009-12-16: FTDNA has the newly discovered SNP's downstream of R-L21* available under the Advanced Order menu item with SNP checkmarked. I have ordered one "package" and a Massie has as well. I recommend at least one member of each of the major groups of the project order this package of about 8 new SNP tests. L193 is included.

2009-12-16: Paul Burns from the Byrne Surname Project contacted us. We've done some checking at the Byrne's of Co. Monaghan, Ireland appear closely aligned with Group A, particularly McGuire/MaGuire/O'Donoughue folks.

2009-12-02: Found that some Barrett's from Ireland match the project haplotypes.

2009-11-26: One of the Meeks members was tested derived (positive) for L193. There is a Newton and a Kennedy in other projects that also are L193+. Kennedy has a 67 STR haplotype and he fits as well.

2009-11-14: We just hit our 50th member in the project. Over the last couple of days I scoured through Ysearch queries and FTDNA projects to find matching people and emailed them directly.

2009-11-09: We are up to 31 people who have joined the project. That is great but I know of another 30 or so who should join. Ask matching haplotype folks in your surname projects to join. I know there are Banks and Barrett's that fit in as well but I can't track any of them down.

2009-11-08: Intial subgroupings are established, but review and input is needed.

2009-11-06: Yahoo Discussion Group for L513 established and files uploaded.

2009-11-05: Project initiated by FTDNA and M.Walsh

2009-10-31: Agreement between A.Stansbarger and M.Walsh to start a project and invite people that are R1b and fit the identified haplotype off-modal signature.