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Surnames

Genn, Gennell, Gennett, Gennette, Geuin, Gewin, Ginn, Ginnane, Ginnell, Ginnes, Ginness, Ginnett, Ginnette, Ginney, Ginnis, Ginny, Guin, Guina, Guinan, Guinane, Guinaugh, Guinaw, Guincy, Guindollet, Guindon, Guine, Guinea, Guinee, Guineer, Guinegaw, Guinen, Guiner, Guinere, Guines, Guiness, Guinessey, Guinet, Guinett, Guinette, Guinevan, Guiney, Guinivan, Guinn, Guinnane, Guinne, Guinnee, Guinner, Guinness, Guinnessey, Guinnessy, Guinot, Guinotte, Guint, Guinte, Guintran, Guintrand, Guintrande, Guion, Guyn, Guyne, Guynee, Guynes, Guyness, Guynetth, Guyney, Guynn, Guynne, Gween, Gwen, Gwenn, Gwin, Gwine, Gwinee, Gwinn, Gwinne, Gwinnedd, Gwinnell, Gwinner, Gwinneth, Gwinnett, Gwinney, Gwthne, Gwyn, Gwyndaf, Gwyne, Gwynedd, Gwyneth, Gwynetha, Gwynette, Gwynllyw, Gwynn, Gwynne, Gwynned, Gwynnedd, Gwynnel, Gwynnell, Gwynneth, Gwynnett, Gwynnette, Gwyntopher, Gynane, Gynn, Gynnane, Gynne, Gynnet, Gynnett, Gynning, Mac Ginn, Mac Ginnis, Mac Guin, Mac Guinn, Mac Guyn, Mac Guyne, Mac Guynn, Mac Guynne, Mac Gwine, Mac Gwinn, Mac Gwyn, Mac Gwyne, Mac Gwynn, Mac Gwynne, MacGinn, MacGuin, MacGuinn, MacGuyn, MacGuyne, MacGuynn, MacGuynne, MacGwine, MacGwinn, MacGwyn, MacGwyne, MacGwynn, MacGwynne, Magennis, Maginn, Maginnes, Maginness, Maginnis, Maginniss, Mc Ginn, Mc Ginnes, Mc Ginness, Mc Ginnis, Mc Guin, Mc Guine, Mc Guines, Mc Guiness, Mc Guinn, Mc Guinness, Mc Gwin, Mc Gwinn, McGinn, McGinnes, McGinness, McGinnis, McGinniss, McGuin, McGuine, McGuines, McGuiness, McGuinn, McGuinnes, McGuinness, McGwen, McGwin, McGwinn, Meginnis, Meginniss, O Guiney, O Guinidhe, O Guinye, O'Gin, O'Ginn, Oguin, O'Guin, OGuinan, O'Guinan, O'Guiney, O'Guinidhe, Oguinn, O'Guinn, OGuinness, O'Guinness, O'Guinye, Ogwen, O'Gwen, Ogwin, O'Gwin, Ogwinn, O'Gwinn, Ogwyn, O'Gwyn, Ogwynn, O'Gwynn, UiGin, Ui'Gin, UiGinn, Ui'Ginn

Background

This is an active Y-DNA and mtDNA surname project for Ginn, Guin(n), Guyn(n), Gwin(n), Gwyn(n), and all similar versions noted above.   We would like to encourage all individual with the QUIN, QUINN, O'QUINN, McQUINN, QUINAN, QUINNET and their variant surnames, plus all WINN, WYNN, WYNNE, WINNER, WYNNELL and their many variations to participate, not only to prove several hypothesis, but rather to "disprove" them while proudly representing your heritage.   Unfortunately, I can not add those names to the list above, due to their existing projects and FTDNA Administrative Rules, but Winn/Wynn & Quinn/Quin members are truly welcome.    All individuals with Family Finder Results (autosomal DNA) are also encouraged to participate, as we are one of the very few projects that has a webpage link dedicated for matching Autosomal DNA members within the project.  

Kit results are grouped and displayed expeditiously on several spreadsheets, available on the " Dark Blue Pull Down Tabs Above ".   Please view the links to our Y-DNA project "Classic" results (link), our mtDNA page (link), or our "NEW" Family Finder page (link).  When viewing the Y-DNA project "Colorized" results (link) notice the rows with matching members in the same categories and the highlighted areas showing any genetic mutations.  Your continued support with our quest to resolve life-long mysteries, ancestral dilemmas, and historical possibilities are inspirational. 

Our global surname affiliation is based on several factors:  
One 
shows there is a high degree of probability that the Irish variations of CUIN-O'CUINN (link)
 have been anglized to QUIN- O'QUINN and simultaneously to GUIN, GWIN, McGUIN to O'GUIN over many generations.   Some of our members show a very close DNA association with GUIN-GWIN matching QUIN-QUINN and COEN-COYNE.  They are presumed to have descended from the old Irish Kingdom (link) (link), and share DNA as that of the descendants of "Niall of the Nine Hostages"(link), who descends several generations from "Conn of the Hundred Battles"(link), through his son Art mac Cuinn (link), and through his son Cormac mac Art (link).   Early pronunciation of CUIN - QUIN and GUIN was "Cue-inn" and "Gue-inn", which is evident in the GEUIN & GEWIN variations of our surnames.  In other parts of Ireland and Scotland there is also probability of some CUIN-O'CUINN variations which might of anglized to GINN, GUIN, McGINN, McGINNIS, McGUINN over several generations.   The major separation in the pronunciations most likely occurred between 1200 to 1690 AD, as the Normans invaded Ireland in 1168, to their weakening in 1261 and the British conquest of Ireland after the Nine Years' War, 1594-1603 (link), the Flight of the Earls (link) and the Cromwellian War, 1649-53 (link) as the British imposed "Penal Laws"(link) suppressing the Irish population.  As landholders had property confiscated, matters such as education and literacy were set aside while survival became more important to the Irish.   Several came to the Americas as young indentured servants (link).  Those that evaded the British or escaped took passage to the "New World", possibly only through a reduced Irish appearance (of the spelling) from QUIN-QUINN to the Welsh spellings of the GUIN, GWIN, GUYN, GWYN surnames.   

During the 5th to 8th centuries, Scotland (then Pict-land) was invaded by the Gaels tribe (Scoti) from Northern Ireland (link), who gave the land its name [Scotia/Scoti-land].  The Scoti brought Christianity, writing, and new technologies with them, which was contrary to other invaders.  The Kingdom of Scotland was established in the 9th century.   Much later in the 14th century, during the years of Robert the Bruce (link) and the War of Scottish Independence (link) several battles occurred (1296-1357) in which both Scottish and Irish armies fought together against their common English enemies, thus defeating them.  The victors were rewarded with land in Ireland and Scotland.  Due to the migration of the population, we must also consider those GINN, GUIN, McGINN, McGINNIS, McGUINN which originated from the Irish surname of Mac Aonghusa (link), and the Scottish surnames related to MacGUINN, MacGWYNE, WINNE and others as their possible etymology from MacIlleGhuinnein (link), or the Scottish Gallicized form of Guinne (link) as an origin for GUIN, GUINN, GWIN, GWINNE, GUINNEY, GINN, GINNEY and others.   Knowing the shortest distance from the Mull of the Kintyre peninsula in Argyll and Bute, Western Scotland to County Antrim, Ireland equaling 19 km (12 mi) and the distance from Portpatrick, in the County of Wigtown, Scotland to just south of Belfast Lough, Ireland equaling 34 km (21 mi), we must conclude that trade and travel between Irish and Scottish people [including the Isle of Man (link)] existed for several thousand years.

In Wales and parts of England the surnames GEWIN, GWYN, GWYNN, GWYNNELL, GWYNNETT, GWYNNUP are believed to be patronic surnames (link) originating from the Welsh mythological figure, known as Gwyn ap Nudd (link), the king of Tylwyth Teg or "fair folk" and ruler of the Welsh Otherworld, Annwn and the old Kingdom of Gwynedd (link).  These patronic surnames where commonly used up to the 1500's, and continued to be used in some cases up to the early 1800's.  Patronic surnames change from generation to generation having "no relationship to Irish Clanship".  The Wynn Baronets of Gwydir, (link) created in 1611, were heirs to the Aberffraw claim to the Principality of Gwynedd and Wales as direct descendants of Owain Gwynedd ap Gruffydd (c1100-1170) (link).  Welsh & American historians differ on several accounts concerning WYNN families with relationship to GWYN-GWYNN families.  There is pride and satisfaction through representation of our ancestors as we participate in this DNA study.  We hope to investigate all discrepancies with many surnames.

North American historians have proven anglization occurred with some of our GINN, GUIN, GWIN, GUYN, & GWYN surnames in a majority of families which arrived to the New World, beginning in the mid 1650's as they migrated across the continent up to the 1940's.  Some of those families modified their surname by dropping the "prefix" (Mc, Mac, or O') or the "suffix" (anne, ee, er, essy, ette, ey, ... ext..) and some added the 2nd "nn".  Religion has played its part in changing our surnames, as families were formed and faiths converted to their spouses.  In several cases the surname was slightly modified due to disagreements within family groups, noted in CANADA, Nova Scotia and the American colonies.  Others modified the spelling ("w" > "u" or "y" > "i") due to a separation in the family, like a divorce or new marriage.  Some changes may have come about to absolve themselves of previous debts incurred or to avoid legal action.  While other families may have adjusted the spelling to the way the local community accepted the name after they migrated to new areas.  Additionally, in some isolated parts of the United States and on some Celtic Islands, the surnames "Guinn" & "Gwinn" are pronounced as "Ginn", while across the majority of the world, we pronounce "Guinn" & "Gwinn" as "Gwen". 

The 1850 & 1860 U.S. Federal Census - Slave Schedules undeniably shows that several of our ancestors were slave owners.  Additionally the 1850 & 1860 standard U.S. Census records contain documented families of freed blacks and mulatto families with our surnames.  At the end of the American Civil War, and during the Reconstruction Era (1865-1877) many African American families adopted the surnames of their slave owners.  We would like to believe the choice was of their "favorite owner" rather than the harshest and not a surname forced upon them.  Some blacks in the U.S. took on the surname of Freeman, while others adopted the names of a popular historical of contemporary figure of social importance, such as former presidents Washington, Jefferson, and Jackson.   Currently in the U.S. and throughout the world we estimate that 15% of our members would be of African descent, as we welcome them to participate.

So to keep this brief...  some of us have variations of:
1.)  possible GINN, GUIN, GWIN, GUYN, GWYN variant connections with each other throughout North American and worldwide, or 
2.)  possible GUIN, & GWIN variant connections with CUIN, COEN, QUIN, originating from Ireland, Scotland, & the Isle of Man, or 
3.)  possible GWIN, GUYN, GWYN, variant connections with possible WINN, WYNN originating from Wales & British mainland, or
4.)  possible GINN, GUIN, variant connections with McGINN, McGUIN, McGINNIS originating from Ireland, Scotland, & the Isle of Man, or 
5.)  possible O'GUIN, O'GWIN variant connections with O'CUIN, O'QUIN originating from Ireland, & the Isle of Man, or
6.)  possible GINN, GUIN, GWIN, GUYN, GWYN variant connections with African descent worldwide. 

What historians definitely agree with is that there "is no historical indication or conclusive documentation" of CUIN & QUIN having "origins" associated with WINN or WYNN, which supports the basis that the GINN, GUIN, GWIN, GUYN, GWYN Project shall be designated as a middle surname project, with a focus of exploring all possibilities researching variants of those surnames.

Our project like many others is "FREE", contains "No Membership Fees", and there is "No Limit" to the number of projects which you join.  If you believe that you fit this category and your surname is not on the list above, we will consider adding the surname once you have "Joined".  You must be "Logged-On" to FTDNA to be a member of our Project (link).

Because surnames often follow a Y-DNA lineage for many generations it is typical for project participants to be "men with that surname".  Of course, women who are interested in their ancestry beyond their direct paternal line, may have an appropriate representative of the line they are interested in tested.  (Project Start date: 11 Jul 2011)

Some DNA test and Upgrades are discounted if you have "JOINED A SURNAME PROJECT" ask FTDNA when ordering, 1-713-868-1438 .... outside the USA, call International Number 011-713-868-1438 ... Note: Before members elect advanced Big-Y DNA or Geno 2.0 testing, we would like give you our opinion on your options.  In some cases by comparing your Y-DNA matches, you can determine the exact SNP test which is cost beneficial. 

There are 'thousands' of Family Ancestry Trees throughout various web-sites, which researchers have reached their "brick-wall", due to a lack of documentation, thus speculating unknown heritage. Some researchers have it "wrong", while other researchers are "correct".  Some of our ancestors are thought to have an ancient kinship while others reflect an independent origin.  Knowing which set you might descend from, possibly ties you into some ancient history, in IRELAND, WALES, SCOTLAND, ENGLAND, FRANCE, CANADA, AUSTRALIA, AFRICA, the UNITED STATES or other countries.

Be the first person that publicly establishes a genetic profile on your progenitor.  Be the first person to confirm your immediate branch of ancestors to others with the same or similar surname.  Identical genetic mutations are like fingerprints to your ancestral heritage.  We have only scratched the surface, and there are thousands of unanswered questions capable of a response through mutual cooperation. 

Genetic DNA testing is not a magic wand.  When you find a close match, it gives you the potential to collaborate with another researcher to determine a connection, which could lead to a breakthrough.  A perfect or near perfect match with someone of the same surname on 37 or 67 marker test almost always indicates a direct connection, but that connection could still be beyond the paper trail that exist.

About our Y-DNA Project:

This project was specifically established to confirm and compare the results of our Ginn-Ginnis-Guinnessy, Guin-Guinn(~), Guyn-Guynn(~), Gwin-Gwinn(~), Gwyn-Gwynn(~), and all similar O'Guin(~), O'Gwynn(~), McGinn(~), McGuin(~), McGuinn(~) surnames, the DNA associated with each other, to provide a direction for further research, and to view a common genetic background for use as a supplement to traditional genealogical research.  Some of us are not related for many generations or not at all.  Some will match closely, while others might find out about a possible Non-Paternal Event (NPE).  There will be those of us that will learn about matters related to the history of the United States prior to the Civil War and those of us that will learn our DNA might not result in what we expected.   For most of us, we are able to confirm the truth, as this applies equally to all races and creeds.

Primary Surname Format:  As for a standard Surname Project this one will maintain a "Maximum Genetic Distance" from the MODE/MODAL of THREE ( 3 on Y-DNA37 ), FIVE ( 5 on Y-DNA67 ) to ensure a proper relationship between members, estimated within 400-700 years.  If the Genetic Distance is exceeded, a new category will be created. Eventually questions may answer themselves as time passes and as more participation is encouraged.

Haplotype Clan-Based Format:  Last Sunday & Monday of the Month:  "Project Research Days", the project converts to a "Clan based Haplotype Project" by combining or members together in groups with a "Maximum Genetic Distance" from the MODE/MODAL of SEVEN ( 7 on Y-DNA37 ), TEN ( 10 on Y-DNA67 ) to ensure a proper relationship between those members, estimated within 900-1800 years... If the Genetic Distance is exceeded, a new category will be created.  This is best viewed on the Colorized Table  Note: If you would like your results temporarily placed in a different category, for comparison purposes only ... Please call me at that time, Michael A. Gwinn, phone number listed below (Family obligations may restrict work on Sunday & Monday).

We hope that "Everyone receives equal attention" to their heritage.  In time, we hope to sort out some of the variants.  At this early stage we need as many participants as possible to identify the major groupings.  For assistance, contact:
** Group Administrator, Michael A. Gwinn, gwinnma@aol.com (575) 403-9654 (cell);  michael.a.gwinn  (Skype) ...  researches "all lineages".
or Group Administrator, Ron C. Gwinn, at rcgwinn@hotmail.com ... Robert Gwin lineages and most others,
or Co-Group Administrator, Andy Guinn, at andyguinn@yahoo.com ... Bartlett Gwin-Gwinn-Guinn research, 
or
Co-Group Administrator, Charlsa Guinn, at
charlsaguinn@hotmail.com ... HMT research, 
or Co-Group Administrator,
Randy O'Guin, at ranny9@cox.net ... for O'Guin, O'Guinn, O'Gwin, O'Gwinn research.



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"General Fund Donations" to the GUIN, GWIN, GUYN, GWYN Y-DNA Project are acceptable and can only be used

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Respectfully, Michael A. Gwinn, gwinnma@aol.com (575) 403-9654


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General Fund

Current balance: $277.00

Type Amount Date Donor Note KitNum Donation Type
Debit $168.00 10/9/2013     181312 Unknown
Credit $293.00 4/26/2013     271335 Unknown
Credit $145.00 1/30/2013       Unknown
Debit $293.00 1/29/2013     271335 Unknown
Credit $250.00 1/28/2013 Mike G.     Anonymous
Credit $49.00 1/3/2013       Anonymous
Debit $109.00 7/13/2012     115365 Unknown
Credit $49.06 7/12/2012 M. A. Gwinn Kit: 248867   Individual
Debit $199.00 7/12/2012     248867 Unknown
Credit $34.50 7/4/2012 B. Martha Erickson     Anonymous
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Project Stats

Statistic Type Count
Big Y 1
Combined GEDCOMs Uploaded 58
DISTINCT mtDNA Haplogroups 42
DISTINCT Y-DNA Confirmed Haplogroups 16
DISTINCT Y-DNA Predicted Haplogroups 8
Family Finder 77
Genographic 2.0 Transfers 5
Maternal Ancestor Information 104
mtDNA 61
mtDNA Full Sequence 32
mtDNA Plus 49
mtDNA Subgroups 40
Paternal Ancestor Information 145
Predicted Y-DNA Haplogroups 38
Total Members 170
Unpredicted Y-DNA Haplogroups 0
Unreturned Kits 7
Y-DNA Deep Clade (After 2008) 14
Y-DNA Deep Clade (Prior to 2008) 11
Y-DNA Subgroups 55
Y-DNA111 19
Y-DNA12 115
Y-DNA25 103
Y-DNA37 100
Y-DNA67 64