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 Ó CUIMÍN—O Cromyne, Crimin, Crimine , Crimeen, Crimmeen, Cremeen , Cremen, Crimmins, Cremeans, Cromeans , Creameans, Carmeans, , Carmain ,Lucas
Other names relevant to deep ancestry -  Kirby ,Kerwick ,Kerwikan ,Irwin , Erwin,Ervin


  'Descendants of Cuimín' (diminutive of crom, bent); the name of a well-known family in Cork, Kerry and Limerick; of West Cork origin.
'The families of Cuimin or O Cromyne are an ancient Cork family and were what we might describe as a church family in charge of Aghabullogue parish. Under ancient Irish Church Law which was in operation for many hundreds of years before the Anglo-Irish invasion of Ireland in the late 12th century and continued until the Reformation in the 16th century, certain families were exempted from paying tribute to their chiefs on their maintaining the local church and its clergy.

These families were called 'aircheannaig' (anglicized 'eireannachs').
The family of O Cromyne provided many priests to the church at Aghabullogue before the Reformation. The family is still numberous in mid-Cork generally under the name Cremin but many variants occur.  They were Freeholder's of their land it was held by the Bishop of Cork,  McCarthy was prevented from using his usual tactics.They were Chieftains of their Tuath, By 1655 when the Survey was made of the property of  McCarthy of Muskerry we learn that all the clans under his control had given up their rights.  

   
This family owned two castles one at Ballinascarthy and the other near Enniskeane. The remains of both are still to be seen. 1641 Lands and residences forfeited, One member of the family was hanged in Cork in 1650 by the Cromwellian forces and at the Cromwellian plantations
According to Edward MacLysaght’s - More Irish Families (1960), p. 72, the name Cremin (Ó Cruimín in Irish) is exclusively a west Munster surname.

There are few sources for genealogical research in Cork in the 1600s.
These include:
1500-1650, The Pipe Rolls of Cloyne, Journal of the Cork Historical and Archaeological Society, 1918, NLI Ir 794105 c 1
1641, The Book of Survey and Distribution, NLI MS 966-7
1641, Survey of houses in Corkcity, listing tenants and possessions, National Archives of Ireland, Quit Rent Office Papers
1654, Civil Survey, Vol, VI, NLI Ir 9141 C 12
1659, Pender’s Census. IMS. NLI Ir 94106 c 27
1662-1667,Subsidy Rolls, extracts for Condons and Clangibbons baronies, National Archivesof Ireland, M. 4968 and M. 2636.

Cremin family. Houlihan and Cremin families of Cork and Kerry 1600-1900. Volume 5, p. 532-533 (see links tab)



Gradeless/Carmean lineage:
 http://family.gradeless.com/carmean.htm

http://kdeg.cs.tcd.ie/1641/?q=deposition/823218r197

John Crimine ,Dorchester,Marland-Aghbollgue,Cork Ireland 1650-1713 His Memorial Bearing is registered at http://usheraldicregistry.com/index.php?n=Registrations.20150604A


Clan Cremin Homepage is : http://www.clancremin.org/


O'Croymne of Aghbollg(u)e  Parish  and Ballingary, LimrickCork, Ireland -1181-1641


Archbishop John Cuimin (1181-1212), Ballingarry, Limerick


1300-Cobhthach ua Carmain - An Croman, Ballingary, Limrick, Munster

1388 - William Coymn , Croman Chapel, Ballingary, Limerick, Munster

1450- Donald (Donal) O'Cromyne , Vicar of Aghbollgu/e, Parish

1484- see above also mentioned again as Vicar Of Aghbollg/u/e

1550-Henry O'Cromyne  (1550 Chancery Records),Ireland,203

1577-Cornelius O'Cromyne (Pardon,303)(5560)

1577-Shane O'Cromyne of Balleycromyn (Elizabeth's I, Faints)

1579-John O'Cromyne ,Vicar GarryCloyne (Brady's Clerical records, Parochial records , Vol II) (1663 Cormac McDongh Carty, Improperitor)

1590-Rich Comyne (Unkown relationship)

1601-Thomas O'Cromyne, Vicar Aghbollgu/e/

1601- John O'Cromyne, Chief of Sept ,Chief of his name

  Johannes O'Cromyne (death 2nd April 1625,Old Castle)

  Conghor O'Cromyne  (death 1625)

  Donell O'Cromyne  (death April 1631) Brandons Bridge, Old Castle


Timothy Crimin > Donoghil     (1796 religious rolls)


Dennis Crimmin > Solohead.   (Ditto)


Denis Crimmin > Solohead.     (Ditto)

William Crimin > New Chapel.  ( Ditto)


If you areunable to consult these sources yourself http://www.nli.ie/en/commission-research.aspx.This group is researching  Cremeen surname and variants (there of)  to find its common founding ancestry . Through the use of YDNA genetic genealogy.
If you have documented evidence of traceable family lineage from the area's of Muskerry,Cork Ireland and the areas of Glantane, Boola, Bweg, Kilashanig, Duhallow and Kilnagross and St.Micheal's, Barbados Caribbean Islands another similar project is : https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/irish-caribbean-y/about , And you stem from a Cremeen/Cremeans, Cromeans, Creameans, Carmeans/Gradeless,and variants please join our project.
 We welcome your participation in our research of the Cremeen/variant Sept. (AMERICAN variants) up most important as there is many variants in existence today.
 they do have a single link to one founding ancestor ,Dating to John Crimin/Crimeen born 1653 died 1713  He was from Kilnagross,Cork Ireland and Dorchester,Maryland October 1677.
 If you want to submit a pedigree please submit to our family researcher: Timothy Carmain :oakofherne@gmail.com
Any additional information or questions please forward your email to Richard  Cremeans: raocruimin@gmailcom

 Cremeans lineage is quite an ancient Hapo type This family falls within (Irish Type II haplotype), and is clearly identifiable by the
allele values of 10 at DYS 439 in combination with 10 at GATA H4
The surname having undergone several traceable mutations to arrive at Cre(a)means and even Cummings
P305,M42, M168,P143, M89,M578, P128,M256, M45, M207, P231, M343,M269, L278, P310,P312,L21
With its final progenator as  and thru ISOG , classified as R1b1a1a1a151 , South Irish Type ll - R-L21 > DF13 > FGC 11134>S1136/CTS4466 > S1137/CTS 5714> Z16247>A541 > A88 

YSEQ branching : CTS 4466> A541 > A195 > A761 > A88

Today, members of this lineage are widely distributed across Europe and West Asia. They reach their highest frequency  Ireland where they and descendant branches contribute to between 35 and 38 percent of the male population. This line is 6 to 7 percent of male lineages in France. It is between 1 and 2 percent of male lineages in Germany. It is 2 to 4 percent of male lineages in Portugal and Spain. It is about 2 percent of the male population in the Croatia

References of analysis:
.http://daver.info/geno/results/R-CTS4466.pdf 
(http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?863-CTS4466-(L21-gt-DF13-gt-CTS4466)-amp-Irish-II-South)
http://www.ytree.net/SNPinfoForPerson.php?personID=356 

The chart at ISOGG (International Society of Genetic Genealogy) compares the various options available for extensive Y-DNA SNP testing:http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Y-DNA_SNP_testing_chart .
Other related projects that would be an interest to testers:
The R1b-CTS4466 Plus project- https://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-CTS4466Plus/ Is studying the Irish type 2 Halpotype and anyone matching this haplotype, would benefit in joining this project. They have a forum at -http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/R1b-CTS4466-Plus/info.
Related forum: TMRCA Case Study - you are welcome to join and ask questions, Also see related projects: FTDNA R-L21 4466 South Irish
For Caribbean research of possible Cremeen relatives please visit :  1.  http://coraweb.com.au/ireland.htm,  2, http://www.icara.ie/
 NOTES: UI Conilli Gabra of Limerick

Ui Conill Gabra dynasty Limerick

Clarke - Descendant of cléireachán,' or 'cléirchín' (diminutive of cléireach, cleric, clerk); the name (1) of a family of ui fidhgheinte who were anciently lords of ui cairbre aebhdha, in the east of co. limerick; now represented by clerihan in co. tipperary


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O'h-Aedha , Hughey ,Hughes

The family of O'h-Aedha has been scattered widely over East Meath and Monaghan. The name is now usually anglicised Hughes

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Luachra or Muscraidhe O'h-Aedha and Ui Conaill Gabhra. Fert Sceithe is now named Ardskeagh, or "height of Sciath or Shield


O'h-Aedha. — This name still exists in Meath, but is always anglicised Hughes; Aedh and Hugh being generally considered the sam

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Hayes -

O'h-Aedha, Ua h-Aedha, O'Hea, or Hughes, lord of Ui-Fiachrach-Arda-sratha, slain, 1044.  Ui-Fiachrach-Arda-srath

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Ireland, Hayes originated as a Gaelic polygenetic surname "O hAodha", meaning descendant of Aodh ("fire"), or of Aed, an Irish mythological god. Septs in most counties anglicised "O hAodha" to "Hayes". In County Cork, it became "O'He

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Hoey-Huey-

The surname Huey originally appeared in Gaelic as "O hEochaidh" or "Mac Eochaidh," derived from an Irish personal name "Eachaidh

," meaning a "horseman.

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AHERNE


  Aherne is an anglicisation of O Eachthianna, from Eachthiarna, meaning


  lord of horses and is also found in the variants Heran and Hearne.


  Eachthiarna was a relatively common personal name in Gaelic society, borne


  by, for instance a brother of Brian Boru. The surname originated, in fact, in


  the sept or tribe of Brian, the Dal gCais, and has always been strongly


  associated with their homeland in Co Clare. The family territory was in the


  southeast of the county, around Sixmilebridge, up to the end of the Middle


  Ages, when they migrated south and east, to counties Cork, Limerick and


  Waterford. To this day, Ahernes are most numerous in counties Cork and


  Waterford. The arms of the family include three herons, in an obvious pun on


 


The personal name Eachán is diminutive of the personal name Eachaidh, which is ..... Kings of Uí Chonaill Gabra “ AT 1155.12: Two kings of Ó Conaill Gabhra . .... Conneeley, Connolley, Connelley, Connalley, Connally, Connolly, Connelly, ...

Ó Coileáin (Middle Irish: Ua Cuiléin) is a Modern Irish surname generally belonging to the descendants of the last leading family of the Uí Chonaill Gabra, a sept and small but notable overkingdom of medieval and ancient Ireland, based in western County Limerick. Throughout much of their history the Uí Chonaill Gabra were in turn the leading sept of the greater regional overkingdom of the Uí Fidgenti, considered among the highest ranked princes or flatha in all the Province of Munster. Ó Coileáin/Ua Cuiléin is most commonly anglicized O'Collins and O'Cullane. The surname has also long been found in County Cork, believed largely due to the migration there, probably in the late 12th or early 13th century, of a junior branch of the County Limerick dynasty

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O'Connor - Hereditary Chief or Clan chief; Ua Conchobair Failghe (O'Connor Faly) Ui conilli Gabra.

Maguires-

InnisfaUen speak of one of the Maguires of Fermanagh being amongst the. Ultonians ; ...... bright Gabra, which was in North Tiaffa. ...... connell

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Cotter-

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O'Sullivan of Croc Raffan -

Tipperary


and the territory they possessed in Tipperary was situated in the barony of Middlethird, between Cashel


and Cahir

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O'Donovan -

The O'Donovans are descendants of the 10th century Donnubán mac Cathail, Lord/Chief .... may have been joined by a junior sept of their Ó Coileáin kinsmen from Uí Chonaill Gabra

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Cammán mac Amlaíb

Cathal mac Donnubáin is the second known son of Donnubán mac Cathail, king of Uí Fidgenti and an ancestor of the medieval and modern O'Donovan family. He may have succeeded his brother Uainide mac Donnubáin as King of Uí Chairpre Áebda (Cairbre Eva) at his death in 982, no ruler(s) being known after that until 1014. However, this is confused by two notices of the death of Cairpre mac Cléirchín in 1013 or 1014, where in one he is styled king of Uí Chairpre and in the other of Uí Fidgenti, leaving it uncertain which Cathal might actually have been if either. Rivalry between the two families is unknown but cannot be ruled out

A notable sept of the O'Donovans known as the Sliocht Íomhair or "Seed of Ivor" survived into early modern times. It is also periodically claimed that some of the family may even be male line descendants of Ivar of Waterford, a variant of which (through his son Donndubán)

Ímar Ua Donnubáin or Ivor O'Donovan, and possibly nicknamed Gilla Riabach,[1] was a legendary and celebrated petty king, navigator, trader, and reputed necromancer of 13th century Ireland belonging to the O'Donovan family. He may or may not have been the second son of Cathal, son of Crom Ua Donnubáin, from whom the modern Clancahill dynasty descend. In any case Ivor is the ancestor of the historical O'Donovan sept known as the Sliocht Íomhair or "Seed of Ivor", who are generally considered to have been one of the four great septs of the family before being all but destroyed in the 1560s in a conflict with the Clancahill main line. Although mostly legendary, Ivor is possibly referred to in one or two near contemporary sources

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Waterford:

Like his relation and contemporary Ivar of Limerick, and with whom he may actually be confused in one or two instances, Ivar's parentage is a little uncertain; however Clare Downham argues that his claim to Dublin and the names of his sons and grandsons suggest he did belong to the Uí Ímair dynasty.[2] In 1867 James Henthorn Todd suggested him as a son of another Ímar, slain in battle against Ruaidrí ua Canannáin in 950,[3] and assumed to be a son of the powerful Ragnall ua Ímair,[4] King of Northumbria, who occupied Waterford and raided Munster from it in the second decade of the 10th century before moving on to take Scandinavian York. Ivar of Waterford had children and grandchildren also named Ragnall. Mary Valante agrees with Todd.[5

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Mac Amhlaibh


(confused with native Gaelic Mac Amhlaidh, Mac Amhalghaidh)MacAulay, MacAuliffe, Cowley, Cawley, MacCamley, McCamley  father : Óláf

Mac Amhlaibh


(confused with native Gaelic Mac Amhlaidh, Mac Amhalghaidh)MacAulay, MacAuliffe, Cowley, Cawley, MacCamley, McCamleyÓláf

Mac CoitirCotter, MacCotter

CottierÓttar

MacLeodLjótr[9]

Forenames

GaelicAnglicised formNorse equivalent


Amhlaibh


(confused with native Gaelic Amhlaidh, Amhalghaidh)Aulay (Olaf)Ólaf


GoraidhGorrie (Godfrey, Godfred), Orree (Isle of Man)Godfrið


ÌomharIvorÍvar (Ingvar)


RaghnallRanald (Ronald, Randall, Reginald[10])Rögnvald


SomhairleSorley (or Samuel)Sumarliði (Somerled)


TormodNormanÞormóð


TorcuilTorquilTorkill, Þorketil

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The Uí Fidgenti, Fidgeinti, Fidgheinte, Fidugeinte, Fidgente, or Fidgeinte were an ... The Ui Cairbre Aobhdha (of which O'Donovan were chief), lay along the Maigue basin in ..

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the king of Cairbre Aobhdha, who was O' Donovan, (Kilmallock),

The Ui Cairbre Aobhdha (of which O'Donovan were chief), lay along the Maigue basin in Coshmagh and Kenry (Caenraighe)

Pobul-ui-Brien, now a barony in the county of Limerick, the country of a branch of the .... In this expedition they routed the O'Donovans of Ive-Figeinte, or Cairbre Aedh- bha, in th

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An Crom O'Donnabhain other wise "Crom O'Donovan"

An Crom Ua Donnubáin or Crom O'Donovan (slain 1254)


is the individual characterized as the ancestor of O'Donovans later found in Carbery in County Cork, and later still in distant County Wexford in Leinster. Nothing is known for sure of his life but his progeny, and the circumstances of his slaying and further events which followed. He was the son of Máel Ruanaid, (son of Ragnall),[1] son of Aneislis, son of Murchad, son of Amlaíb, son of Cathal, son of Donnubán,[2] (son of Amlaíb),[3] son of Cathal. An uncle or near relation was Amlaíb Ua Donnubáin, last known king of Uí Chairpre Áebda (Cairbre Eva), slain in 1201

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An Crom translates directly from the Irish into The Bent (One),   Cromad, name for the bend in the River Maigue becoming the modern Croom, County Limerick. Crom is claimed in the O'Donovan pedigrees to have been seated here and built a great fortress, although this was more likely built by his ancestor/relation Diarmaid O'Donovan. It is the origin also of the war cry "Crom Abu" of the Kildare branch of the FitzGerald dynasty, who are said to have taken the fortress from Crom

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114.Crom / Ancrom O Donovan who constructed the Crom Castle on the River Maige in Co. Limerick in the mid - north - west of the Munster Province in 1146 AD where he had 114.Turlough O Connor the Heremonian Dal Cuinn Ui Briuin Ai King of Connacht and Gaelic Milesian Heremonian Dal Cuinn Ui Briuin Ai  181st King of Ireland as his guest. He was killed in 1154 AD at Inis an Bheil / Pheale near Iniskeen to the east of Bandon in Co. Cork in Southern Munsterby the O Mahonys, and he is the direct male line ancestor of all  of the O Donovan Septs in Carberry in Co. Cork and also of others in the Leinster Province. Glean na Chroim / Fanlobish in Carberry was called after him, which was to be held by his descendants until 1290 AD when they were to be driven out by the expanding authority of the Mac Carthys. The O Donovan then gave them territory in Kilmacabea with 7 townlands, which the Mac an Chroim Sept then held onto until the Oliver Cromwell Invasion.

(Its to be noted: croom is only 6.8 miles or 11 km from Cummeen a plough land referred as common land to Croom an also spelled ("Cuimin" )

114.Crom O Donovan was to be the father of 115.Lochlann O Donovan the father of 116.Donough O Donovan of Loughcrow the father of 117.Cathal O Donovan the father of 118.Dermod O Donovan the father of 119.Donough O Donovan the father of 120.Conor O Donovan the father of 121.Aodh O Donovan the father of 122.Dermod O Donovan the father of 123.Donough O Donovan. 114. Crom O Donovan was also to be the father of;

115.Cathal O Donovan  the direct male line ancestor of the Clan Cathail, who was his eldest son, who held the entire territories in Co. Cork at Drimoleague in Carberry, and he was to live to a great old age to see his Crom Castle taken over by Maurice Fitz Gerald the second English Earl of Offaly who was the first Fitz Gerald to come into Munster Province as the English Lord Justice of Ireland in 1229 AD under Henry 111. The Fitz Geralds were to take up the War Cry of Crom a Boo because of this victory over the the O Donovans there. 115.Cathal O Donovan had also acquired  a large territory in the mountains in Corca Luighe, which was originally the Ithian O Driscoll's territory and he called it Cairbre and it now covers 4 Baronies in Co. Cork. In 1200 AD it was transferred under that name to the Mac Carthy Reagh who later gave part of it, near the end of the 13th Century AD, to the Ui Cairbre Mor the most important Sept within it. The Mac Carthy Reagh and his descendants were to apply the Carberry name to the O Donovan territory and then to all the minor Cantreds they annexed from time to time. 115.Cathal O Donovan had 2 sons, 116.Ivar who was to be from Castle Ivor  / Ire  / Myross, which he was to construct in 1220 AD that would be held by them down to Donnell na gCroiceainn, while his other son;

116.Teige / Tadhg O Donovan was also to have 2 sons 117.Lochlinn Tancuste O Donovan who received 36 plough lands from his father between the River Roury and Glandore Harbour where he became the direct male line ancestor of the Clan Loghlin, and they were to hold onto this territory also until the Oliver Cromwell Invasion, and his other son;

117.Murch / Morrogh O Donovan, who was his second son, was the father of 118.Aonghus O Donovan who had 28 plough lands at Glean Mhuilinn / Kilmeen where their residence at Clais a Rusheen is now only a ruin. His other son;

118.Conor / Conchobar O Donovan was to be he father of;

119.Randal / Raghnall O Donovan who is the father of, 120.Toby / Tioboid O Donovan who is the direct male line ancestor of the O Donovan Sept known as the Sliocht Tioboid who had their territory at Skibbereen where they constructed Gort na Clogh Castle , which is also a ruin at Creagh and his other son was;

120.Dermod O Donovan who is the direct male line ancestor of the O Donovan Chiefs as he was the Clan Cathal Tanaiste / Prince of Carberry.

1607 AD October 6th:The English held an Inquisition where it was recorded that the O Donovans held the 2 manors of Castell O Donevan of 21 plough lands and the manor of Rahine, Clare Cahill territory 67 plough lands from the sea on the south to the River Myalaght bounded on the north by territories of the Clan Donell Roe and territories of Glean na Chroim and Clan Loghlin territory to the east and Clan Modie and Clan Teige Revoe on the west

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(As noted in Antiquities of Ireland one Chief Sept of Ui Conilli Gabra was the Fitzpatricks )

See. O'Connor Faley number 78 Conla brother to Lughaigh.

Fitzgerald- Ui Chonaill Gabhra in Limerick to Hamo De Valognes. Hamo built a ..... Knights and of the Limerick Fitzgibbons), held the wide land.


Murrey -Pobul-ui-Brien. Mael Murrey slain by McSweeney.

Fitzgibbon- The Career of John Fitzgibbon, Earl of Clare. ...... J Brurigh, a royal mansion in the county of Limerick, the seat of O'Donovan, chief see : An Crom O'Donnabhain




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