CARLILE/ CARLYLE/ CARLISLE/ CARLILL DNA PROJECT
Subgroup L has been changed to subgroup H in order to display R1b subgroups together.
Subgroup H has been changed to subgroup I, which is our first haplogroup I subgroup.
Subgroup B-2 has been created for members who match subgroup B by paper trail, although not by DNA.
This project is now accepting members with Family Finder test, who have any direct ancestor named Carlisle. Y-DNA is still the backbone of the surname project, but autosomal testing can also help match up cousins.
FTDNA has made a lot of changes to personal pages. If you haven't looked at your personal page lately, I recommend it.
Please note that if you elect not to accept match emails from FTDNA, your matches also will not see you on their page. If you see matches labelled "private" with no contact information, that is why. A lot of people choose to turn off their 12 marker matches, so if they are labelled private on your 12 marker match list, they may still show up on the higher marker lists. Unfortunately some people have chosen to turn off all emails, which makes them completely invisible to their matches. I suspect most of them are unaware of their invisibility. If you have a match labelled private, the project admin. may be able to contact them-- if they are in the project.
Subgroup L is the latest subgroup taking shape.
SubGroup A notes:
67 markers results are in now for three of our SubGroup A participants. Results stay close for this group even at the 67 marker level.
The line of William Carlile from County Down, Ireland and the line of James Carlile of County Monaghan, Ireland match at genetic distance two (35 of 37 matching) This was unexpected, with both lines having a paper trail back to different immigrant ancestors and to different counties in Ireland. Others have since matched this haplotype closely, one having a paper trail back to Scotland; another with a family legend going back to Scotland.
These lines will be interesting to sort out.
Significantly, these Group A participants have no random non-surname matches even at the 12 marker level, so they apparently have a rare haplotype. Their haplotype also seems not to mutate much, either, given the close match on lines known to have no recent connection.
In addition, these members have matched 12/12 with a researcher in Ireland who is not yet[?] a member of this group. He does not show up as a match at the 25 marker level.
Subgroup B notes:
This group includes two of the surname LILEs, which I am assuming to be a probable variant surname, with the Car- being dropped at some point in history.
The much-researched line of Edmund Carlisle of Georgia is included in this subgroup. Others don't have a paper trail quite that far back, so hopefully the DNA will yield some clues.
One member of subgroup D is of a line that has sometimes been erroneously connected to Edmund's line in the past, so the DNA has helped to rule out a connection there. Some researchers connect Edmund to the Edgecombe, North Carolina, Carlisles, others connect him to a Hosea Carlisle of South Carolina. Hopefully DNA will also help to verify these speculations or rule out these connections.
Subgroup C notes:
This subgroup settled early in Delaware. Members' results are far apart. We need more participants from this line to establish a modal.
Subgroup D notes:
We had a 37/37 match between two descendants of William Carlisle of Jackson County Tennessee. One had a paper trail from Illinois back to Jackson County, Tennessee, but with only circumstatial evidence there linking back to William Carlisle through his son James. Burned county records are a hindrance to Jackson County researchers.
The other participant is a descendant of Robert Carlisle of Texas. Descendants of Robert knew he was born in Springfield, Kentucky and his specific birthdate (from his tombstone,) but did not know of the link to William Carlisle of Jackson County, Tennessee.
From William Carlisle's pension record it is known that he had a son named Robert and the birthdate mentioned in the pension file matches exactly the birthdate from Robert's tombstone in Texas. William also is known to have lived in Kentucky, possibly several locations in Kentucky prior to settling in Tennessee. Researchers of William's line did not know that William had lived in Springfield, KY, but records of William are found in various locations in KY, possible due to county lines moving in addition to any actual moves.
This sungroup matches somewhat closely on 37 markers with several people of the surname McCracken, closely enough to cause some speculation about a non-paternal event happening between the McCrackens and this Carlisle line at some point in the past. .
Two other Carliles in this sungroup are descendants of a William Carlile of South Carolina. This William and the William of Jackson, TN, were contemporaries, and unlikely to be brothers-- having the same name, so we can safely say the Carlile name extends farther back for this subgroup and any non-paternal event with the McCrackens most likely would have happened back in Scotland. So far no connections are known between William of South Carolina and William of Tennessee (who was born North Carolina.) One researcher of the S.C. line believes any common ancestor for the two Carlisle lines is most likely back in Scotland.