Burkholder - Burkhalter Surname Project - Y-DNA SNP

The major branch points on our shared paternal lineage trace back through genealogy, history, antiquity, and ancient anthropology to reach our early hominid ancestors who lived in Africa. Recent (terminal) branches may be as recent as ten generations old or several thousand years. Thus, they are an established way to trace the migrations of human populations from the earliest times to the present. The branches on the paternal tree are haplogroups. SNP markers on the Y-Chromosome define them. This page displays Y-Chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) SNP results for the project. It shows Y-DNA haplogroups and all SNP results both positive (derived) and negative (ancestral). A plus, +, sign denotes positive results. A negative, -, sign denotes negative results. You may learn more about Y-Chromosome SNPs on the Understanding Y-DNA SNP Results learning page.

Learn more about this page. This page displays project members' Y-DNA haplogroups and SNP results. Predicted haplogroups are in red, and confirmed haplogroups are in green.

* denotes a no call or heterozygous call.

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Kit Number Last Name Paternal Ancestor Name Short Hand Confirmed SNPs
782003 Burkhalter William Thomas Burkhalter, b. 1865 E-M35  
702724 Burkholder David Joel Burkholder I-Y11252 CTS10+, CTS10613+, CTS11036+, CTS11042+, CTS11091+, CTS11126+, CTS11441+, CTS11534+, CTS11540+, CTS11838+, CTS11979+, CTS12008+, CTS12632+, CTS136+, CTS1755+, CTS1800+, CTS209+, CTS2387+, CTS2410+, CTS2514+, CTS2524+, CTS2970+, CTS3268+, CTS3474+, CTS3506+, CTS3517+, CTS3641+, CTS3654+, CTS3662+, CTS3868+, CTS4209+, CTS4239+, CTS4272+, CTS4273+, CTS4327+, CTS4364+, CTS4368+, CTS4443+, CTS4656+, CTS48+, CTS4848+, CTS5150+, CTS5247+, CTS5457+, CTS5887+, CTS5946+, CTS6231+, CTS6265+, CTS6343+, CTS6349+, CTS674+, CTS6932+, CTS7121+, CTS7540+, CTS7593+, CTS7751+, CTS8064+, CTS8300+, CTS8545+, CTS8742+, CTS883+, CTS8963+, CTS898+, CTS9010+, CTS9240+, CTS9484+, CTS9857+, CTS9860+, F1209+, F1329+, F1704+, F1714+, F1753+, F1767+, F2048+, F2142+, F2155+, F2402+, F2587+, F2688+, F2837+, F3111+, F3136+, F3335+, F3368+, F3402+, F3556+, F3629+, F3692+, F4188+, F719+, FGC222+, FGC7747+, L1197+, L121+, L123+, L132+, L15+, L157+, L16+, L187+, L352+, L403+, L495+, L498+, L503+, L508+, L80+, L81+, L840+, L842+, L843+, L845+, L846+, L847+, M170+, M253+, M258+, M89+, M94+, P123+, P124+, P127+, P130+, P135+, P136+, P139+, P14+, P141+, P145+, P146+, P148+, P151+, P157+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P163+, P166+, P187+, P30+, P305+, PAGES00081+, PF1029+, PF192+, PF210+, PF223+, PF2593+, PF2608+, PF2611+, PF2614+, PF2615+, PF2620+, PF2624+, PF2643+, PF2718+, PF2739+, PF2745+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF278+, PF316+, PF3528+, PF3562+, PF3627+, PF3649+, PF3654+, PF3661+, PF3665+, PF3668+, PF3794+, PF3803+, PF3807+, PF3815+, PF667+, PF815+, V168+, V186+, V189+, V205+, V221+, V250+, V2590+, V52+, V9+, Y11252+, Y1863+, Y1864+, Y1865+, Y1868+, Y1869+, Y1879+, Y1909+, Y1934+, Y8283+, Y8285+, Y8288+, Y8289+, Y8291+, Z11893+, Z11917+, Z17897+, Z2719+, Z2720+, Z2723+, Z2724+, Z2729+, Z2733+, Z2736+, Z2737+, Z2743+, Z2744+, Z2747+, Z2823+, Z2841+, Z2844+, Z2845+, Z2848+, Z2861+, Z2862+, Z2885+, Z2886+, Z2887+, Z2891+
719657 Childers Childers R-BY164576 CTS10149+, CTS10834+, CTS11985+, CTS12632+, CTS196+, CTS3135+, CTS3358+, CTS3475+, CTS3654+, CTS3662+, CTS3868+, CTS4364+, CTS4368+, CTS4437+, CTS4443+, CTS4944+, CTS5457+, CTS5884+, CTS623+, CTS7194+, CTS7604+, CTS7904+, CTS8627+, CTS894+, F115+, F1209+, F1329+, F1704+, F1714+, F1753+, F1767+, F2048+, F2142+, F2155+, F2402+, F2587+, F2688+, F2837+, F3111+, F313+, F3136+, F3335+, F3556+, F3692+, F47+, F719+, FGC222+, L1185+, L132+, L1351+, L15+, L16+, L23+, L352+, L407+, L479+, L483+, L498+, L500+, L502+, L506+, L508+, L741+, L747+, L757+, L761+, L762+, L768+, L773+, L82+, M173+, M207+, M306+, M343+, M415+, M45+, M526+, M89+, M94+, P128+, P131+, P132+, P135+, P136+, P139+, P14+, P141+, P145+, P146+, P148+, P151+, P157+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P163+, P166+, P187+, P224+, P225+, P228+, P230+, P232+, P233+, P234+, P236+, P237+, P238+, P242+, P243+, P244+, P245+, P280+, P281+, P283+, P295+, P297+, P305+, PAGES00081+, PAGES00083+, PF1029+, PF192+, PF210+, PF223+, PF2593+, PF2608+, PF2611+, PF2614+, PF2615+, PF2620+, PF2624+, PF2643+, PF2718+, PF2739+, PF2745+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF278+, PF316+, PF5459+, PF5495+, PF5865+, PF5872+, PF5885+, PF5887+, PF5889+, PF5936+, PF5945+, PF5953+, PF5957+, PF5958+, PF5980+, PF6145+, PF6246+, PF6249+, PF6265+, PF6271+, PF6272+, PF6399+, PF6409+, PF6426+, PF6430+, PF6432+, PF6434+, PF6435+, PF6463+, PF6469+, PF6495+, PF6498+, PF6506+, PF6507+, PF6520+, PF6524+, PF667+, PF815+, s3+, V168+, V186+, V189+, V205+, V221+, V250+, V2590+, V52+, V9+, Y4367+, Y4372+, Y5253+, Y8283+, Y8285+, Y8288+, Y8289+, Y8291+, YSC0000075+, YSC0000186+, YSC0000224+, YSC0000225+, YSC0000227+, YSC0000269+, YSC0000288+, Z11893+, Z11917+, Z17897+, Y4365-
971033 Gay   R-L23  
182296 Burkholder Hans Burkholder 1670 R-L23 CTS10081+, CTS10149+, CTS12632+, CTS196+, CTS3135+, CTS3358+, CTS3654+, CTS4437+, CTS4443+, CTS4944+, CTS5418+, CTS5884+, CTS623+, CTS7194+, CTS7604+, CTS7904+, CTS8627+, CTS894+, F1209+, F1704+, F1714+, F1753+, F2048+, F2155+, F2402+, F2837+, F3111+, F3136+, F47+, F719+, FGC222+, L1185+, L132+, L1351+, L15+, L16+, L352+, L407+, L468+, L479+, L483+, L498+, L500+, L502+, L506+, L508+, L741+, L747+, L752+, L754+, L757+, L761+, L768+, L773+, L82+, M173+, M306+, M415+, M526+, M89+, P128+, P131+, P132+, P139+, P14+, P141+, P145+, P148+, P157+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P163+, P166+, P224+, P225+, P228+, P233+, P234+, P235+, P236+, P237+, P238+, P242+, P243+, P244+, P245+, P280+, P281+, P283+, P295+, P297+, PAGES00024+, PAGES00081+, PAGES00083+, PF2608+, PF2614+, PF2615+, PF2624+, PF2723+, PF2739+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF5459+, PF5495+, PF5865+, PF5872+, PF5882+, PF5885+, PF5887+, PF5936+, PF5945+, PF5953+, PF5957+, PF5958+, PF5980+, PF6145+, PF6246+, PF6249+, PF6263+, PF6265+, PF6271+, PF6272+, PF6399+, PF6409+, PF6426+, PF6429+, PF6430+, PF6432+, PF6434+, PF6435+, PF6463+, PF6469+, PF6470+, PF6495+, PF6498+, PF6506+, PF6507+, PF6520+, PF6524+, s3+, V205+, YSC0000075+, YSC0000186+, YSC0000224+, YSC0000225+, YSC0000227+, YSC0000288+, L23+, L49+, P310-, P311-, P312-, U106-
177152 Burkholder Ulrich Burkholder, b1710, Emmental Bern R-M12149 CTS10168+, L23+, CTS10834+, L49+, CTS12478+, L150+, CTS11985+, L277+, CTS2664+, L479+, CTS3063+, L482+, CTS3135+, L483+, CTS3358+, Z2103+, CTS3575+, Z2105+, CTS3654+, CTS4437+, CTS623+, CTS8728+, CTS5884+, F1046+, F115+, F1209+, F1302+, F1320+, F1329+, F1753+, F1767+, F1794+, F180+, CTS4244+, F1704+, F1714+, F211+, F2142+, F2155+, F2402+, F2075+, F2587+, F2688+, F2710+, F2837+, F29+, F295+, F2985+, F2993+, F3111+, F313+, F3136+, F33+, F332+, F3335+, F344+, F3556+, F356+, F359+, F3692+, F378+, F506+, F556+, F63+, F640+, F647+, F652+, F671+, F719+, F82+, F83+, F93+, F4+, F47+, L132+, L16+, L23+, L15+, L150+, L265+, L278+, L350+, L388+, L389+, L407+, L468+, L470+, L471+, L478+, L482+, L483+, L498+, L500+, L502+, L506+, L747+, L752+, L754+, L761+, L768+, L773+, L774+, L779+, L82+, L585+, L721+, M139+, M168+, M207+, M343+, M415+, M42+, M45+, M94+, P128+, P131+, P132+, P135+, P136+, P138+, P14+, P141+, P145+, P146+, P148+, P151+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P166+, P187+, P207+, P225+, P226+, P228+, P229+, P230+, P232+, P233+, P235+, P236+, P237+, P238+, P240+, P242+, P243+, P244+, P245+, P280+, P281+, P282+, P283+, P284+, P285+, P286+, P295+, P297+, M235+, M294+, M526+, M89+, PAGES00083+, PF2591+, PF2593+, PF2599+, PF2608+, PF2611+, PF2615+, PF2624+, PF2643+, PF2745+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2749+, PF2770+, PF5465+, PF5466+, PF5468+, PF5471+, PF5851+, PF5853+, PF5854+, PF5865+, PF5869+, PF5871+, PF5882+, PF5886+, PF5887+, PF5888+, PF5953+, PF5956+, PF5957+, PF5964+, PF5965+, PF5982+, PF6091+, PF6246+, PF6249+, PF6250+, PF6263+, PF6265+, PF6270+, PF6271+, PF6272+, PF6404+, PF6409+, PF6411+, PF6424+, PF6425+, PF6430+, PF6432+, PF6434+, PF6438+, PF6443+, PF6463+, PF6464+, PF6469+, PF6470+, PF6477+, PF6479+, PF6494+, PF6495+, PF6498+, PF6500+, PF6506+, PF6507+, PF6509+, PF6520+, PF6524+, YSC0000279+, YSC0000288+, YSC0000294+, PF110+, PF1269+, PF954+, s10+, s3+, V186+, V205+, YSC0000067+, YSC0000072+, YSC0000075+, YSC0000194+, YSC0000201+, YSC0000203+, YSC0000205+, YSC0000213+, YSC0000219+, YSC0000224+, YSC0000225+, YSC0000227+, YSC0000230+, YSC0000232+, YSC0000233+, YSC0000251+, YSC0000269+, YSC0000270+, YSC0000166+, YSC0000176+, YSC0000179+, YSC0000182+, YSC0000186+, PF500+, L809-, PF5236-, L216-, CTS10009-, L2-, YSC0000191-, L20-, YSC0000275-, P310-, YSC0000082-, P311-, V221-, P312-, YSC0000002-, U106-, S42-, L137-, SRY2627-, U152-, U198-, PF1909-, PF2028-, PF2462-, PF257-, Z11-, Z12-, Z14-, Z143-, Z145-, Z146-, Z149-, Z150-, Z156-, Z16-, Z160-, Z18-, Z1862-, Z192-, Z194-, Z195-, Z199-, Z2-, Z20-, Z202-, Z203-, Z204-, Z205-, Z207-, Z210-, Z211-, Z212-, Z214-, Z215-, Z22-, Z220-, Z223-, Z224-, Z225-, Z226-, Z227-, Z229-, Z23-, Z231-, Z233-, Z234-, Z235-, Z236-, Z237-, Z238-, Z24-, Z240-, Z241-, Z242-, Z243-, Z248-, Z249-, Z25-, Z253-, Z255-, Z259-, Z26-, Z264-, Z266-, Z268-, Z269-, Z270-, Z273-, Z274-, Z276-, Z278-, Z279-, Z28-, Z29-, Z290-, Z295-, Z299-, Z30-, Z306-, Z307-, Z31-, Z319-, Z325-, Z326-, Z327-, Z329-, Z330-, Z331-, Z333-, Z334-, Z335-, Z336-, Z337-, Z341-, Z347-, Z348-, Z35-, Z350-, Z36-, Z367-, Z37-, Z38-, Z381-, Z383-, Z384-, Z44-, Z46-, Z47-, Z48-, Z49-, Z51-, Z52-, Z54-, Z57-, Z65-, Z7-, Z70-, Z71-, Z72-, Z8-, Z9-, PF6610-, PF6652-, PF6653-, PF6654-, PF6659-, PF6714-, PF70-, PF7301-, PF7379-, PF7589-, PF7610-, PF7623-, PF910-, PF3252-, PF3292-, PF3928-, PF3988-, PF4142-, PF4252-, PF4280-, PF4354-, PF4363-, PF4367-, PF4837-, PF27-, PF1023-, M93-, M64-, M75-, M323-, P329-, P53-, P61-, P89-, PAGES00072-, M481-, M222-, M226-, M18-, M153-, L739-, L625-, L626-, L627-, L671-, L96-, M126-, L51-, L513-, L52-, L525-, L552-, L554-, L562-, L580-, L493-, L477-, L47-, L44-, L45-, L46-, L466-, L4-, L371-, L270-, L151-, L237-, L247-, L25-, L257-, L163-, L164-, L165-, L194-, L196-, L21-, L226-, L135-, L144-, L148-, F499-, F4006-, F4205-, L1-, L11-, F3799-, F3916-, F3952-, F3637-, F3372-, F3161-, F3198-, F3024-, F2735-, F2691-, F2610-, F2083-, F2107-, F2421-, F2513-, F2536-, F2229-, F1732-, CTS4299-, CTS4333-, F1881-, F1947-, F1948-, F1969-, F1993-, F1398-, F1400-, F1636-, F1643-, F1697-, F1230-, F1287-, CTS6-, CTS603-, CTS606-, CTS8845-, CTS8949-, CTS8966-, CTS9044-, CTS9193-, CTS9219-, CTS9230-, CTS9385-, CTS9454-, CTS9501-, CTS9715-, CTS9906-, CTS9940-, DF19-, DF21-, DF23-, DF25-, DF5-, F1033-, F1036-, CTS6253-, CTS6286-, CTS6353-, CTS6452-, CTS6524-, CTS667-, CTS6838-, CTS6854-, CTS6889-, CTS6911-, CTS6919-, CTS6937-, CTS6942-, CTS6975-, CTS699-, CTS7010-, CTS7013-, CTS7030-, CTS7193-, CTS7325-, CTS7416-, CTS7491-, CTS7542-, CTS7618-, CTS7759-, CTS7763-, CTS7768-, CTS7822-, CTS7925-, CTS7927-, CTS7958-, CTS7959-, CTS7970-, CTS7983-, CTS8002-, CTS8125-, CTS8137-, CTS8178-, CTS8234-, CTS8492-, CTS8516-, CTS8563-, CTS8580-, CTS8684-, CTS4466-, CTS4521-, CTS4528-, CTS4559-, CTS468-, CTS4716-, CTS5029-, CTS5153-, CTS5284-, CTS5478-, CTS5481-, CTS5531-, CTS5603-, CTS5689-, CTS5714-, CTS3655-, CTS3771-, CTS3866-, CTS3936-, CTS4015-, CTS4065-, CTS4069-, CTS4188-, CTS3386-, CTS3409-, CTS3413-, CTS3437-, CTS319-, CTS3080-, CTS3087-, CTS2687-, CTS2752-, CTS2791-, CTS1202-, CTS12058-, CTS12074-, CTS12173-, CTS1595-, CTS1640-, CTS1751-, CTS1789-, CTS1848-, CTS188-, CTS1970-, CTS234-, CTS2376-, CTS2457-, CTS2501-, CTS2509-, CTS10855-, CTS10893-, CTS11022-, CTS11232-, CTS11381-, CTS11459-, CTS11548-, CTS11567-, CTS1166-, CTS11712-, CTS11722-, CTS11767-, CTS11874-, CTS10334-, CTS1034-, CTS1039-, CTS10429-, CTS10488-, CTS10504-, CTS10641-
177307 Burkholder Casper Búrghalter b1542 R-M269 M269+
177695 Burkholder Ulrich Burkholder, b1710 R-M269  
178412 Burkholder Hans Burkhalter, ~1737 R-M269  
182215 Burkholder Ulrich Burkholder, b1710 R-M269  
183201 Burkholder Burkholder R-M269  
183803 Burkholder (Burkholder) R-M269  
196031 Burkholder Lloyd Harold Burkholder R-M269  
255263 Burkholder   R-M269 CTS10081+, CTS10149+, CTS12632+, CTS196+, CTS3135+, CTS3358+, CTS3654+, CTS4437+, CTS4443+, CTS4944+, CTS5418+, CTS5884+, CTS623+, CTS7194+, CTS7604+, CTS7904+, CTS8627+, CTS894+, F1209+, F1704+, F1714+, F1753+, F2048+, F2155+, F2402+, F2837+, F3111+, F3136+, F47+, F719+, FGC222+, L1185+, L132+, L1351+, L15+, L16+, L352+, L407+, L468+, L479+, L483+, L498+, L500+, L502+, L506+, L508+, L741+, L747+, L757+, L761+, L768+, L773+, L82+, M173+, M306+, M415+, M89+, P128+, P131+, P132+, P139+, P14+, P141+, P145+, P148+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P163+, P166+, P224+, P225+, P228+, P233+, P234+, P235+, P236+, P237+, P238+, P242+, P243+, P244+, P245+, P280+, P281+, P283+, P295+, PAGES00024+, PAGES00081+, PF2608+, PF2615+, PF2624+, PF2723+, PF2739+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF5459+, PF5495+, PF5865+, PF5872+, PF5882+, PF5885+, PF5887+, PF5936+, PF5945+, PF5953+, PF5957+, PF5958+, PF5980+, PF6145+, PF6246+, PF6249+, PF6263+, PF6265+, PF6271+, PF6272+, PF6399+, PF6409+, PF6426+, PF6429+, PF6430+, PF6432+, PF6434+, PF6435+, PF6463+, PF6469+, PF6470+, PF6495+, PF6498+, PF6506+, PF6507+, PF6520+, PF6524+, s3+, V205+, YSC0000075+, YSC0000186+, YSC0000224+, YSC0000225+, YSC0000227+, YSC0000288+
291981 Burkhalter   R-M269  
B514418 Jarrett John H Jarrett 1834/1903 R-M269  
918899 Burkhalter Jeremiah R Burkhalter, b. 1774 and d. 1865 R-M269  
960722 Herron Mark Anthony b.1670 and d.1769 R-S4060 A702+, CTS10149+, CTS10362+, CTS10834+, CTS109+, CTS11358+, CTS12028+, CTS125+, CTS12632+, CTS196+, CTS1996+, CTS2664+, CTS3063+, CTS3135+, CTS3229+, CTS3316+, CTS3358+, CTS3431+, CTS3446+, CTS3475+, CTS3536+, CTS3575+, CTS3622+, CTS3654+, CTS3662+, CTS3868+, CTS4244+, CTS4364+, CTS4368+, CTS4437+, CTS4740+, CTS5318+, CTS5418+, CTS5532+, CTS5808+, CTS5884+, CTS623+, CTS6383+, CTS6800+, CTS6832+, CTS7194+, CTS7604+, CTS7904+, CTS8243+, CTS8436+, CTS8612+, CTS8626+, CTS8627+, CTS8980+, CTS9014+, CTS9722+, CTS9828+, DF94+, F115+, F1209+, F1329+, F1704+, F1714+, F1753+, F1767+, F2048+, F2142+, F2155+, F2402+, F2587+, F2837+, F3111+, F313+, F3136+, F3556+, F47+, F719+, F82+, FGC58+, FT3312+, L1002+, L1004+, L1009+, L1013+, L1053+, L11+, L1112+, L1116+, L1185+, L132+, L1348+, L1351+, L1480+, L15+, L151+, L16+, L23+, L265+, L278+, L350+, L352+, L389+, L407+, L470+, L478+, L479+, L482+, L483+, L498+, L500+, L502+, L508+, L51+, L52+, L585+, L741+, L747+, L752+, L753+, L754+, L757+, L761+, L768+, L773+, L779+, L82+, L989+, M11301+, M168+, M173+, M207+, M213+, M269+, M294+, M306+, M343+, M415+, M42+, M45+, M526+, M5590+, M5597+, M5607+, M5609+, M5610+, M5613+, M5615+, M5624+, M5625+, M5627+, M5629+, M5632+, M5633+, M5636+, M5649+, M5650+, M5652+, M5657+, M5662+, M5681+, M5682+, M5692+, M5697+, M5708+, M5709+, M5712+, M5726+, M5738+, M5747+, M5775+, M5777+, M5783+, M5788+, M5791+, M5812+, M5821+, M5825+, M89+, M9+, M94+, P128+, P131+, P132+, P135+, P136+, P138+, P139+, P14+, P140+, P141+, P143+, P145+, P146+, P148+, P149+, P151+, P157+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P163+, P166+, P224+, P225+, P226+, P228+, P229+, P230+, P232+, P233+, P234+, P235+, P236+, P237+, P238+, P239+, P240+, P242+, P243+, P244+, P245+, P25+, P280+, P281+, P282+, P283+, P284+, P285+, P295+, P297+, P305+, P310+, P311+, PAGES00026+, PAGES00083+, PF1016+, PF1029+, PF1040+, PF1046+, PF1061+, PF1092+, PF1097+, PF1203+, PF1415+, PF210+, PF223+, PF234+, PF258+, PF2591+, PF2600+, PF2608+, PF2614+, PF2615+, PF2620+, PF2624+, PF263+, PF2718+, PF272+, PF2723+, PF2739+, PF2745+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF278+, PF292+, PF325+, PF342+, PF3495+, PF5459+, PF5490+, PF5495+, PF5500+, PF5503+, PF5862+, PF5865+, PF5869+, PF5872+, PF5881+, PF5885+, PF5886+, PF5889+, PF5936+, PF5945+, PF5953+, PF5957+, PF5964+, PF5978+, PF5980+, PF5981+, PF5982+, PF5984+, PF6091+, PF6145+, PF6249+, PF6250+, PF6265+, PF6271+, PF6272+, PF6399+, PF6409+, PF6426+, PF6429+, PF6430+, PF6432+, PF6434+, PF6435+, PF6437+, PF6443+, PF6463+, PF6469+, PF6470+, PF6477+, PF6479+, PF6494+, PF6495+, PF6498+, PF6500+, PF6506+, PF6507+, PF6509+, PF6520+, PF6524+, PF719+, PF779+, PF815+, PF840+, PF844+, PF892+, PF937+, PF951+, PF970+, S1684+, S1688+, S1690+, s3+, S4060+, S4078+, U106+, U198+, V168+, V171+, V174+, V189+, V205+, V221+, V241+, V250+, V2590+, V52+, V9+, Y1493+, Y1526+, Y1571+, Y441+, Y8291+, YSC0000075+, YSC0000186+, YSC0000191+, YSC0000224+, YSC0000225+, YSC0000227+, YSC0000269+, YSC0000288+, Z11893+, Z11917+, Z17709+, Z381+