Sons of Aodh

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The Y-DNA results that we have seen so far indicate that the R1b-DF104 phylogenetic node is the starting clade (Y-haplogroup) of our research. The median age estimate for R1b-DF104 places it ~36 AD. The conclusion to start with the R1b-DF104 clade is based on the numerous Connachta surnames in the publicly available R1b-DF104+ test results that genetically correlate with the historical Irish genealogies and annals for the most part. As of May 2019 AD, there are almost 1200 known R1b-DF104+ men.
This assumption of the R1b-DF104 clade being the starting point does eliminate two dynasties from our research for the most part: the Uí Maine and the Clan Colla, the descendants of The Three Collas. Please visit Peter Biggins’s excellent website for a detailed explanation of the Clan Colla and quick highlight of the Uí Maine Y-DNA. Essentially, both of these kindred groups split off from the lineage long before DF104 existed. Y-DNA test results show they split off before the R1b-M222 phylogenetic node occurred, which is estimated to have happened as early as ~554 BC, with a median time frame of ~139 BC.
We solicit the participation of all R1b-DF104+ men, as well as anyone who is interested in our research. Through our efforts, we are constantly expanding the R1b-DF104 clade as our genetic testing data and knowledge grow. Thank you for visiting our website and we hope to see you in our discussions and genetic testing activities.


January 29th   2015

Everyone visiting the site should PLEASE  check out the NEWS page for new story and pictures by Craig McKie................delightful about his ancestors in 1800s TASMANIA.




January 2015............Best wishes for a healthy  2015.......happiness is a bonus to be worked on daily.   



Please verify your SNP designation when you are visiting for the first time or haven't visited in some time..........let us know of corrections needed--Thanks



December 28   2014:

We have some new book links added under NEWS



The Sons of Aodh grew out of the need for some members to find a place................the members did not seem to fit any patterns and found no matches.

The FTDNA database was much is the hope of the SOA admins and co-admins that members will continue to seek the appropriate projects for their test results.

Specific surname and/or SNP projects are much better for the project member if available.


Haplogroup I

Members need to join the various SNP subgroups of the I....................

is just one and with a little searching google and wiki the other I subgroups can be located and joined.



Advanced SNPs for the haplogroups E, G and so on should look for SNP subgroups to advance personal research.



September 19 2014

A member of our group shared the following:

I just came across a copy of a book I did not know about. Its called
Medieval Gaelic Sources and its about the Annals and other associated
old documents from Ireland. People in the discussion groups sometimes
talk about the contents of the Annals, and they are now accessible to
anyone. But I did not know there was a book specifically about how the
old volumes came about, whats in them, etc.

I will put up a copy and make note of it on the SOA news section when
I have a moment.

Here you go...

Medieval Gaelic Sources
Katharine Simms

This short book is intended to serve as a practical guide to Gaelic
language sources (as opposed to administrative or ecclesiastical
records in Latin, French, or English) for the history of these
communities in the high Middle Ages, laying emphasis on published
texts for which English translations are available. Under six headings
(annals, genealogies, poems, prose tracts and sagas, legal material,
colophons and marginalia), it discusses not only the nature of the
sources themselves, the purpose for which they were originally
created, and their survival and availability to researchers, but also
how to glean usable historical information from them.

Katharine Simms is Senior Lecturer in Medieval History at Trinity
College Dublin.

132pp;Ills. Spring 2009
Catalogue Price: €35.00
Web Price:  FREE 


February 11 2014:     New book link added to the news section by Craig McKie.......some hard to find books given here on the NEWS Tab;

Added to SOA news component today:

I today put up a copy of  The Killing Fields of Scotland AD 73 to 1746
by R.J.M. Pugh. This is a clear, concise and easy to understand
account of armed combat in Scotland from Roman times until the debacle
at Culloden. It is in epub format.

"There are many ways to view EPUB files.  Some popular readers are:

EPUBReader Firefox Extension (Windows/Linux/Mac)
Adobe Digital Editions (Windows/Mac)
Calibre (Windows/Mac/Linux)"

I myself favour the Calibre presentation if for no other reason than
it builds and maintains a library, will read other formats such as
.mobi and remembers where you have got to in a book.

2014 offers several opportunities to advance your knowledge of your most recent common ancestors.

Today, 1-19-2014,   we have further testing available with the FTDNA BIG Y.........

..............National Geographic GENO2    Testing..........

..............and, in addition, several 3rd party advanced yDNA test results are being seen.

The folks finding themselves in the Sons of Aodh are the very members who are most likely to benefit from this advanced testing.  

Members of the SOA are best served when having tested to the max with their surname group before joining the SOA.    

Analysis on 12-25-37 yDNA test results  and,  in many cases,     67 marker test results yield no better or different results than you will receive in your surname group.

Once having joined the SOA you must consider advanced testing to improve your haplogroup assignment.

PLEASE USE TAB ON TOP BAR:  ********** JOIN REQUEST*********** to join this group.

...............Background for this project is to be found written by many family history researchers and our own FTDNA  pioneers in the new and ever changing Genetic Genealogy arena. 

...............Background comes from all those who have volunteered their time and spent a good bit of their hard earned funds in an ongoing effort to discover who they are and from whence came their ancestors and the modern day researchers who have given us the path to the future and the possibility to venture further back to ancient times because we now have yDNA to work with.

The Sons of Aodh are from ancient lands over many centuries.......

..........much, perhaps most,  of their past is a mystery yet to be proven.

..........The evolution of surnames is such that any Irish or Scot may claim to be a Son of Aodh.  Your surname can say one thing and your bloodline something else entirely.

..........Background will lead us to many very different surnames in use today and from all known and yet to be discovered SNPs.

.........The background has laid the foundation and we will build on that. 

PLEASE USE TAB ON TOP BAR:  ********** JOIN REQUEST*********** to join this group.

"Theydidn't change their Scottish ways  whilethey were in Ireland"



ByDallas Bogan

Reprintedwith Permission from Dallas  Bogan. 

Asearly as 1740, the Shenandoah  Valley wasthe course of The Great Valley

Roadof Virginia, which continued as a  wagonroad as far as big Springs,

Virginia(now Roanoke). During the middle of  the1700s, the route was often

recognizedas "The Irish Road," simply because the majority of the

travelerswere Scotch-Irish immigrants. At present, the trace of the Great Valley

Roadis practically the same line as U.S. Highway 11 (or I-81). In 1746,

travelerson the Great Valley Road at Big Springs had to abandon their wagons

anduse pack horses to carry on, either due south into  central North

Carolina,or continue into the valleys of the Clinch, Powell, or  Holston Rivers

advancinginto western North Carolina, now Tennessee.


Butin just a few years after the  opening ofthe Pioneer's Road in 1746,

theUpper Road became a wagon road as  well.The Upper Road took off from the

FallLine Road (which is the same as U.S.  Hwy1 today) at Fredericksburg,

Virginia,and paralleled the Fall Line through Virginia, eventually

reachingNorth Carolina some 60-70 miles west of the Fall  Line Road. A present map

ofNorth Carolina shows the chief population centers  along Interstate 40

asRaleigh, Durham, Burlington, Greensboro and Winston-Salem  -- all the

villagesthat were first settled as a result of the Great Valley Road  or the

Upperroad. The Upper Road is the only pioneer wagon road that does not 

survivetoday as a modern highway -- it crossed several streams and rivers that 

arenow large man-made lakes. Very little traffic came through eastern North

 Carolina into the western regions, due to thelack of wagon roads.

Practically  all the entire Piedmont region of North andSouth Carolina was settled

bymeans  of the Great Valley Road duringthe latter half of the  1700s.


Thefirst land grants in north central  NorthCarolina were in 1746,

conjoiningwith the advent of a wagon route (the Pioneer's Road) that became

feasiblein the same year. Before that date, land sales in North Carolina were

limitedto the coastal areas and up a few rivers. North Carolina's land

grantscame as a result of Lord Granville, the reigning  governor, who opened

thenorthern section of North Carolina's counties for sale  in that year. The

areabecame known as the "Granville District," which attracted  thousands

ofmigrants from the north, particularly people coming by way of the 

Chesapeakeregion of Virginia and Maryland.


Before1746, travelers from the Chesapeake into western Virginia were

obligedto  first go north to Philadelphia, thenwest to Lancaster, then

southweston the  old Philadelphia Road throughYork and on to the Potomac River,

connectingwith  the Shenandoah River Valley. Amajor happening which

influencedthe migration of  people from theChesapeake to points west and southwest

wasthe opening of a  wagon road across theBlue Ridge Mountains in 1746.

Itbecame known as the  Pioneer's Road, asnoted earlier in this text, and

permittedwagon traffic from  Alexandria to Winchester,the westernmost town

inVirginia at that time.  Winchester waslocated on the Great Valley Road,

andby traveling from  Alexandria overland toWinchester, the route to access

theGreat Valley Road had  been reducedconsiderably. The trace today of

thePioneer's Road is very close  to that ofthe modern U.S. Hwy 50, which

crossesthe Blue Ridge Mountains via  Ashley'sGap.


TheScotch-Irish ancestor who  immigrated toAmerica during the 18th

centurywithout delay headed for western  NorthCarolina, now known as Tennessee.

Thefirst farming settlements in the interior of North Carolina were

createdby a group of people who came from the ocean side area of Maryland and

Virginia.They brought with them a good understanding of how to raise

tobacco,the principal crop of the tidewater region of the Chesapeake This in turn

becamea primary crop of North Carolina.  Manyof these people were second

andthird generation Chesapeake residents, however, a sizeable number of

themwere newcomers to America -- a group of people who are often called

themselves  Scotch-Irish.


Asa result of the opening of the  Pioneer'sRoad, thousands of

Scotch-Irishimmigrants to America changed their travel plans after hearing from

relativesin America. Before 1746 the primary  portof entry to the American

colonieswas Philadelphia. After 1746, Alexandria, Virginia on the Potomac

Riverbecame a vital port of entry for the newcomers from the Irish Sea.


"Scotch-Irish"was a name  given to the people who cameto America from

about1717 to 1775 by way of  northern Ireland,or Irish Seaports on either

sideof the border of Scotland and  England.Although many had lived in Ireland

fordecades, these folks did not  think ofthemselves as Irish. Beginning

around1607, thousands of border clan  peoplewere encouraged to leave their

homesalong the English-Scottish border  andwere transported to northern

Ireland.The enticement was a parcel of land, which the borderers could have

astheir own for a lease period of 100 years. For the next hundred years,

thesystem worked convincingly well. 


Theborder clan people established thriving flax farms in Northern

Ireland,and assembled a linen trade that was the envy of  Europe. They didn't

changetheir Scottish ways while they were in Ireland, and  did not see

themselvesas Irish. In fact, most of the clans of the borderlands  were more Scotch

thananything else, whether their traditional lands were on the  English

sideor the Scottish side-- they had a history of taking whatever land  they

wantedand were famous for their centuries of fighting Scottish kings, 

Englishkings, or each other--it really didn't matter.


Abig change in the lives of the border clan people took place with the

mergerof Scotland and England into one kingdom in 1705. The border clans

becamean unbearable struggle to the English, and thereby, thousands were by

forcetransferred to northern Ireland. This time, the clan people were

treatedadversely which encompassed higher rents and shorter  leases; as earlier

leasesran out, the tenants were replaced with new border  clan people at

higherrents. At the same time, dreadful droughts, famine, and  the crumbling

ofthe linen trade in Northern Ireland put the clan people into  dismal

situations,and living there became virtually impossible. By 1717,  ejected

Scotch-Irishbegan relocating to  America.


Duringthe next 50 years or so, it is  estimatedthat over 275,000 of them

wentto the American colonies. Most of them found themselves traveling into

thebackwoods of colonial America and the Appalachian region, extending

fromwestern Pennsylvania to Georgia. These regions were settled almost

exclusivelyby Scotch-Irish  immigrants.


With a project as diverse as this one, with so many members in vastly different haplogroups, sometimes it is difficult to keep up with members' progress.  If you have tested positive for an SNP and you remain for a long time in a grouping that doesn't reflect your new SNP result, just send us an email to let us know of your recent discovery.  Thanks!