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Habsburg and R1b-DF90 subclades

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Significant progress has been made by mid-June 2010 in meeting all six objectives listed above. To date, our findings indicate that:

(1) the following nine surnames appear to have originated (or have multiple residents) during the 1500s in Appenzell Ausserrhoden or nearby locales: Fitze, Himmelberger, Kreis, Mesmer, Neff, Schlatter, Schiess, Tanner, and Waldburger,

(2) the following ten surnames may be associated with nobility: Gras (d'Gras), Habesburc (von Habsburg), Himmelsberger (von Himmelsberg), May (von May and d'Mey), Mesmer (von Mesmer), Penczer (von Penz and von Pentz), Sacher (von Sacher), Schlatter (von Schlatt), Tanner (von Tann), and Waldburger (von Waldburg and von Waldenburg), and

(3) the results of applying phylogenetic and statistical models indicate that the following families shared a most recent common ancestor (MRCA) in the 9th Century: Fitze, Grass, Happes, Himmelsberger, Kreis, Mesmer, Neff, Penczer, Schiess, Schlatter, Schapbach, Sittner, and Tanner (and related spellings). Based on supplementary historical/genealogical data, it appears likely that this MRCA was Reginar (the Longneck) Count d’ Hainaut and Duke of Lorraine, grandfather or great grandfather of Guntram von Muri (the Rich), the progenitor of the House of Habsburg.

With regard to the ancestry of Carlos Holt, whose grandfather Charles Holt (American alias – born 1865, died 1947) claimed was a member of the Habsburg-Lorraine line, Y-DNA results and detailed forensic analyses indicate that Charles Holt could, indeed, have been an illegitimate son of Austrian Emperor Franz Joseph von Habsburg (1830 – 1916). Based on additional evidence collected before and after Carlos Holt joined the FTDNA Habsburg Project in February 2010, including the revelation by Austrian government officials that Crown Prince Rudolf (1858 – 1889) had not committed suicide but was assassinated at his hunting lodge Mayerling in January 1889, it appears highly likely that “Charles Holt” was actually Ladislaus Vetsera, reported by Austrian authorities as one of the assassins. The historical belief that Ladislaus Vetsera had died earlier in the horrific Vienna Ringtheater fire of 1881 is erroneous, because official government records of the fire in the Vienna State Archives document that Ladislaus Vetsera was never identified as having perished in the fire, but was one of the many who were reported as “missing.” In reality, Holt family records indicate that “Charles Holt” reappeared in Stuttgart, Germany in 1881; completed his secondary schooling there from 1881 – 1885; and then attended Leipzig University until 1889, the year of Prince Rudolf’s assassination and “Charles Holt’s” arrival in New York City. (The 182-page book, Mayerling - A New Perspective was published by Dr. Harrison N. Hoppes in November 2010).

This FTDNA Project has been established to facilitate and formalize the collection of additional Y-DNA data to verify, modify, or invalidate the results obtained to date. Candidate entrants for the project are urged to contact the Group Administrator by e-mail to join the Project and receive additional information, especially about the surprising initial results for goals 4 - 6 listed above.