CILLEY SEALY DNA PROJECT- Background
Celley, Cielly, Cillay, Cilley, Sealey, Sealie, Sealy, Seela, Seeley, Seely, Seelye, Shaldon_devonshire, Sheldon_devonshire, Sulley, Sully
2013 Cilley Sealy DNA Project
Yes, this is the new Fall 2013 HomePage of
Dee's Cilley Sealy DNA Project using National Genographic 2.0 (haplogroups) & ftdna YDNA results
Old webpages live on: We are no longer using the pre-Aug. 2013 pages at Worldfamilies website, so those have been earmarked as 2012. Terry Barton has indicated that his company's website, Worldfamilies, must be continued in the loop so... Former SGS outside consultant Ken McCrea also has an old webpage still posted, which should also be revised to direct inquiries here. Please write or phone me, Dee Bardes, who has been appointed the new project admin, as of August 2013. Yes please Add/Join Project (sign in with kit and password), submit research, etc. Your help and input are needed. Thanks!
3 Dec 2013:Nic Noyes, Maine His Soc followed up via phone with regards to Blaisdell/Sealy mss or holdings in their Maine His Soc collections. Although he graciously looked through many items, a detailed investigation would require a paid research project to be initiated. No Devon mss were readily apparent, but yes they do hold marriage registers for Devon and some extensive Blaisdell family papers. So thanks Nic!
Oct-Nov 2013: Thankfully author Norman Cilley agreed to join the Cilley Sealy DNA Project as a co-administrator! This is terrific! Thanks to Norm in Maine! Men with YDNA matches via ftdna, Natl Geno 2.0, ancestry or other labs, all need to add the project asap and convert results (add more markers) if necessary.
14 Sept 2013: Updated WorldFamilies page to reflect ReDirecting, added links, etc. Still need Selley match of Devonshire to Add Cilley Sealy Project. See
See the Thomas Selley, Silverton, Devon match in Devon matrix, R1b1a2 but no Deep SNP haplo test; Kit # 51483, Selley. This Kit only has 25 markers and needs more!
13 Sept 2013: Wrote to Nicholas Noyes, Maine Hist Soc re Walter Goodwin Davis papers.
13 Sept 2013: Left voice mail for Cal Cillay, Bethesda MD requesting a transfer of his ancestry.com YDNA results into this Cilley Sealy DNA Project; his YDNA is projected to match my pink group of Devonshire>Isles of Shoal. One Cal Cillay, Ysearch User ID 6EAK8 posted on Ysearch that his descent from Andrew Sealy (1597/1664) is: “Dwight CILLEY, Erastus H., Erastus, Samuel, Benjamin, John, Benjamin, Benoni, Thomas SEALEY, Andrew SEALY, Richard SEALY”.
11 Sept 2013: Posted Table I, Variations of Sully, by W. John Sully, on Goals page.
11 Sept 2013: Posted version 1.0 of Dee's Working Paper re Somerset on Goals page of Cilley Sealy DNA Project.
Sept 2013: Great News-- Author Richard Norman Cilley has agreed to publish more of his 2006 version of his 1984/1978 Cilley book, pointing to Devonshire roots for the Cutting Cilley line. Please distribute a few copies to Somerset and Devonshire! Hopefully he will soon test with National Genographic Project 2.0 to define the deep SNP haplogroup of the Cutting Cilley line.
September 2013: Big MATCH! Hurray! Sully of Somerset matched perfectly (so far) with Cilley of Isles of Shoal. Pink Group is growing! Who can tie Somerset to Devonshire?
22 Aug 2013: Posted version 1.0 of Dee's Working Paper re Devonshire research at Allen Co Pub Library on Goals page of Cilley Sealy DNA Project. Yes, your Input is sought! This crowd sourcing project relies on participation and support from everyone!
20 Aug 2013: Purchased Gen Dict of Maine and New Hampshire, via abebooks. Two of the three authors are the key instrumental persons who addressed the Devonshire roots for the Cilley line; Sybil Noyes and Walter Goodwin Davis--with Charles Libby, the third author, having a more erratic or sporadic involvement, despite his name being associated with the green hardback book. (See 1939 Preface by Walter Goodwin Davis). Remember that Richard Norman Cilley in his books, followed the research of Walter, and Sybil was Walter's assistant, who later carried on and published their detailed research. Page 142 includes Cilley; page 616,617 Sealy and Searle. Walter explains that it was a 20 year project, and that it was published 1928-1939 originally in five parts; so this timing coincides with his definitive 1931 article.
18 Aug 2013 Added Shaldon/ Sheldon of Devonshire as new surnames due to 25 marker matches with Cilley-ancient heritage overlapping?; Added Sheldon into pink grp, also Cilley and Sheldon into the huge R1b- All subgroups project. Alignment in their matrix should tell us more. Shared draft of Dee's Devonshire research at ACPL, work in progress, to one Sheldon, and also heard back from Sheldon Proj Admin. Sheldon YDNA matrix not on web, so matches should sign onto their kits, then Join project/Join Request. The Join Authorization process is not working smoothly so please forgive hurdles (outside of my control). Out of date welcome letters (not from me) have gone out, so I still need to correct this--apologies to all! There is sooo much to do--yes all of your help is needed!
16 Aug 2013: Dee switched homepage and matrix from WorldFamilies to Family Tree DNA lab website. Amended both pages, updated members' oldest ancestor data, wrote matches requesting they join project, identified deceased matches, wrote with lab, etc.
14 Aug 2013: Dee posted the below info on the Join Request page: Devonshire & Somerset R1b YDNA needed! Over the past fourteen years, the Seeley Genealogical Society (SGS), headquartered at the Seelye Research Center, Abilene, Kansas (with 501(c)(3) status pending) has distinguished the R1b R-L21+ YDNA of the Captain Nathaniel Seeley (1627/1675) line away from that of the R1b R-M269/L-150? Obadiah Seeley(1614 Birmingham, ENG/1657 Stamford, Conn. USA) line; this finding of a YDNA mismatch ostensibly defeats former theories that Nathaniel and Obadiah were both sons of Lt. Robert Seely, b.1602, Bluntisham, Huntingdonshire ENG, d.bef 11 Oct 1667 New York City, NY. Founded c1999 by Obadiah's descendant, Wesley "Wes" A. Waring, of Maple Grove, Minnesota, the SGS DNA Project began with 10 marker YDNA tests from Oxford Ancestors. Wes was aided, c2000, by consultant Fred Hart, to tackle the thorny issue of gathering more paper trail proof, due to mutations emerging. Later c2005-2008, consultant, Dr. Kenneth McCrea, of Pennsylvania was retained to develop a Standard Profile for Obadiah and Nathaniel, based on tests taken prior to 2008. After the conclusion of Dr. McCrea's work, James Ray "Jim" Seeley, of Churchville, VA, a Nathaniel descendant and recent President of SGS championed and committed further SGS time and resources to the YDNA effort, c2008-2011. In 2012, Walter Clark Seeley, a busy volunteer fire fighter of Black Forest, Colorado, and descendant of Nathaniel, agreed to manage SGS's anonymous matrix; but communication and updates to the public lab matrix were not occurring (since this was not SGS's task or focus). Prior to the August 2013 reunion, Grand Rapids, Michigan, longtime Poole DNA Project Administrator, Dee Bardes (who is writing this) a descendent of General Joseph Cilley's son, Jonathan Cilley, Mayflower wife Dorcas Butler began to examine the ftdna and worldfamilies websites for Cilley and Sealy results. Dee was stunned to find that the General's YDNA pattern (R-P312?) had still not been fully defined; then she learned that ISOGG pioneer, Kenneth "Kenny" G. Hedgpeth, the lab's former project administrator, b. 1958, had sadly passed away 3 June 2011, and a new administrator was sought; as such, Dee has agreed to help broaden, update, and improve ftdna lab's project. But progress will require international help! The published heritage of General Joseph Cilley (1734/1799) of Nottingham, New Hampshire is impacted by these results, including that by authors: Jonathan Prince Cilley, Annie Morse Cilley of Maine, Wilfred Hamilton Hall of New Hampshire (2012 mss). If you have already swabbed your cheek cells with any lab, or if you would like to swab, please submit a Join Request to Dee with details. Include your earliest research, phone number, address, goals and lineage info please. [updates to this on the Join Req page will not be transferred into this archival list].
13 Aug 2013: Dee changed name from Sealey to Cilley Sealy to reflect focus on resolving English heritage, c1500-1600s. Devonshire is main focus, given SGS' extensive work on Huntingdonshire lineage.
Aug 2013 Spoke with biology school teacher,Heather Cilley, Enfield CT via phone re need for, Mark Cilley, of The Cilley Pages, online, to do YDNA. Wrote and phoned other Seeley/Cilley sponsors, participants to try to sort out who is whom; added insight into internal notes on lab’s system.
Aug 2013: Dee researched Devonshire Sealy/Cilley and other lines at Allen County Public Library, Ft. Wayne, IN. Followed up with research sponsor, Pauline Cilley Gamer; author, Richard Norman Cilley, etc. Purchased Walter Goodwin Davis's c1956 book, Ancestry of Nicholas Davis, re Devonshire, as cited as source by Richard Norman Cilley now of Maine (formerly Wisconsin). Spoke with author, Richard Norman Cilley and sent him working draft of notes from that conversation-- it was Richard who identified the Devonshire roots for Cilley, citing his sources etc. Others have advanced Huntingdonshire roots it seems, which the R1b YDNA results have...
Aug 2013: Dee attended Seeley Genealogical Society Internatnl Reunion, Grand Rapids Michigan and gave presentation with Walter Clark Seeley, re DNA. Honored founders of SGS's DNA effort, and recognized the many DNA participants present.
July 2013 Posted on genforum Cilley mess bd re need for Cilley males to scrape cheek cells.
July 2013 Received informative mss from my Cilley/Scott cousins/author Wilfred Hamilton Hall (who is nicknamed Bill) of New Hampshire; he delivered formal presentation(s) on General Joseph Cilley's military service, along with his manuscript. Bill's paper is now filed in several major New Hampshire repositories, unnamed. For his early heritage section he relies on Jonathan Prince Cilley's book.
June 2013: Dee contracted for transcription of Emily Cilley Poole Diary, mss. Potential epub or print version, say 2014-2015?
2011-2013: Established findagrave lineage for Jonathan Cilley, wife Dorcas Butler Cilley. They came to the west side of what is now Cincinnati in 1802, before Ohio became a state. Wrote and spoke to close and distant Cilley cousins regarding tombstone errors, repair and replacement issues, Hedges Cemetery, Colerain Township, Hamilton County, Ohio, USA and Venice Cemetery, Ross Township, Butler County, Ohio. Researched, added photos, took photos, added links, requested links, etc. Major effort to support publication of Emily Cilley Poole's Diary.
c2005-2009 Proved Dorcas Butler Cilley heritage, Mayflower Soc of Desc, Ohio. Became Life Member of Mayflower Soc., via her line. About 4 years of specific research despite great grandmother’s membership on this line. Yes, one is required to reprove each item with primary documentation for both sides of line (husband and wife) and each generation. Did all paperwork for several others for them to also join on Dorcas's heritage.
bef 2008 Purchased two volumes of author, Annie Morse Cilley of Maine, extensive genealogy workbooks on Cilley heritage. Thick navy blue leather hard bound.
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