Mid Nov. 2013
: Finally a Y-sequence seems affordable for a private costumer: FTDNA has relased the BigY test for an introduction price of $495 (later $695). See ISOGG Wiki
for a (partial) comparison with FGC Comprehensive Y-DNA test for $1,250. J2a-PF5197 project like other Y-DNA projects strongly advocates doing a Y-sequence test
to allow comprehensive lineage SNP research. For best research progress sub of every known haplogroup two or more Y-sequences not nearly related are needed. FTDNA N113114 Pakistan
has Geno 2.0 results only and is YSC0000246. As he is in J2-M172 project he is expected to join this project. FTDNA 168722 Samaritan
Meneshe-Tsafari is confirmed PF5169+ and probably is also PF5174+ a presumably huge clade.
Begin Nov. 2013
: Project funds offered to L198 kits to confirm PF5169+ and to 274793 Kurtsikashvili
for L1064+ confirmation which on 35 Markers is not anymore near to any existing L1064 cluster but ca. 50 generations away to some of them and therefore if confirmed an interesting new cluster. Added 4 haplotpyes from Di Cristofaro et al 2013
to the YSC0000246 WSA clusters
in the samples collection.
End Oct. 2013
: a very interesting Y-DNA 23/25 match to 134080 Costa
pops out: 274793 Kurtsikashvili
(see Georgian DNA
). Probable origin is Eastern Georgia as suspected by this Wikipedia article: Nino Salia
. Let's hope this interesting link can be substantiated more after the upgrade to 37 Markers is finished.
Begin Oct. 2013
: N111458 Kohl/Yeager
does join and additionally since some days has his 12to67 Marker upgrade done. He matches clearly to L1064 Central European. As reported in J-L250 news
the Geno 2.0 result of this sample (J-PF5169, comunicated via e-mail) did lead at the beginning of 2013 to the first speculation that L1064 is PF5169+ before this was later confirmed publically by N37321 Tyrone and E4955 Kaser. Also 25365 Gattie
from the same cluster like Yeager and Kaser joins. 253629 Vezdeni
is confirmed YSC0000253+.
End Sept. 2013
: 168722 Samaritan
Meneshe-Tsafari is PF5160/Z2221+ and L24- so he very likely is PF5197+ and indeed he seems to be a distant match to E12430 Nazaryan
predicted to be in Cluster B (PF5174+). This observations seems also valid for the near match 214069 Abudayeh
. 297268 Cardoso
with his Y-DNA37 results matches clearly to 294898 Munoz
(~17 generations) and 134080 Costa
(~22 generations) in the L1064 Ibero-English group.
Begin Sept. 2013
: Thomas Krahn
is not anymore working at FTDNA. This brings huge uncertainty in the Y-SNP citizen science research community: does FTDNA abbandon to support this field for customer funded direct advancement of haplogroup discoveries?
End Aug. 2013
: N37321 Tyrone
donates $20 and another $20: thank you again! N115753 Melito
joins the project: having his Y-SNP result public in a FTDNA project is very important and interesting for the future J2a-PF5172* research. He is disappointed a bit about his Geno 2.0 results on the maternal side, but may gets interested more about his paternal lineage and orders a STR-Marker test for checking near Y-DNA matches. N115337 Burney
receives the first 12 Marker results and donates $40: thank you!
Mid. Aug. 2013
: Major find by Geno 2.0 result of kit 262925 from KSA
: The clade J2a-L198 (former J2a4i) is PF5169+! Most probably (by STR networks) he is a brother clade to L1064 sharing unknown upstream SNPs. According to current evidence L1064 and PF5174 are brother clades to L198. This result was somehow expected because L198 is Z2227,PF5116- and the nearest remaining cluster in J2a was *H-L1064. Welcome to all new potential members in this clade. It is very exciting that the paternal lineage of Bonnie Schrack
, the major Y-DNA J researcher since 2006, is L198 and she now shares the personal interest in PF5197 history and research. Update of Results
page with L198 haplogroup and haplotypes.
And another important update: Geno 2.0 kit RD4245WW Melito
contacts project admin ChrisR (thanks to Geno 2.0 paternal story from TaylorP) and did send his raw data. The surname is from his grandfather, an orphan with South Italian heritage. He is PF5172+
, PF5190+, PF5233+ and introduces a split between PF5197/Z2397 and PF5169! So far it is the only public kit known to be in this paragroup.
The advances in SNP tree position research are shown in this image: J2a-M410 (xL24,M67) Phylogeny research 1.6b
(Short URLs to the folder: gdriv.es/j2a-m410
). J2a-PF5197 Project files under this short URL: gdriv.es/J2a-PF5197
Discovered in J2a-PF5197+ samples in 1000 Genomes with the help of Gregory Magoon et al. (1kG.YTree.A-C) the following new SNP series for for future subclade research where registered in Public "whole genome" chrY data analysis
Begin Aug. 2013
: N37321 Tyrone
is finally confirmed L1064+ for the public. N115337 Burney
(PF5177+) does order Y-DNA37. Major Y-phylogeny papers came out, one of them Francalacci et al. 2013
who analyzes the Y-sequences of 1,000 Sardinian men. Their SNPs have the PF prefix and are very useful for the main J2a-clades (M67, L24, PF5169, PF5008). In J2a-PF5169 the PF5177 lineage was covered by the sequencing. Further analysis may unveil if other PF5174 lineages are included in the Sardinian dataset. New age estimations based on the latest publications (see MolGen
): J2a-Z2221 and J2a-PF5197 are expected to have occured shortly after J2a-L26 (approx. 15,000 years). Therefore:
J2a-PF5197 ca. 13,000 years
J2a-YSC0000253 ca. 7,000 years
J2a-PF5174 ca. 8,000 years
No estimations for PF5169 and L1064 age
, because there is no Y-sequence in L1064 available for comparison. This Y-SNP tree estimates seem much older then those based on Y-STR-Markers. But they certainly are more accurate and fit well with the beginning of Agricultural expansion
to Europe ca. 9,000 years ago, especially for J2a-M67 subclades (Mediterranean modal J2a-haplotpye). Looking at the Y-STR variance L1064 might be not older then YSC0000253 and younger then PF5174.
PF5169 could be approx. 11,000 years. In the future good time estimations for all the subclusters using a Y-SNP model for the ancient calibration and 111 Marker kits to build the bridge from the present could be possible. Currently too many clusters have only 37 or 67 Markers. Therefore the accuracy currently is low to build the whole J2a-PF5197 tree with great confidence.
joins the project. He has tested with Geno 2.0 and is a good match on 37 markers to 2a*H03 W.Med Ibero-English PF5169+ L1064+. E4955 Kaserer
is confirmed PF5169+.
End July 2013
: YSC0000253 funded (by 198631 Khan) for 253629 Svaneti
, L1064 funded (by N37321 Tyrone) for N88317 Yedidya
. 255106 Bennett
has announced to consider a Marker upgrade. First STR 37+ analysis of PF5197 clades and clusters visible under Google Drive > J2a-PF5197 public > STR-Trees
. By this analysis N88317 Yedidya
was moved to L1064 speculative. N37321 Tyrone
donated 19$ and ordered L1064. N115337 Burney
(PF5177+) joined the project.
Mid. July 2013
: Huge confirmation of diversity of PF5197 clades: by analysis of 1000 Genomes
male samples classified as J2a1*
(J2a-L26*) by yfull.com
67 Marker results for nine! Y-sequences are PF5197+:
HG03615▶BEB-Bengali, HG03660▶ & HG03021▶PJL-Punjabi, HG02493▶ & HG02733▶PJL-Punjabi, HG03012▶ & HG03905▶BEB-Bengali, HG04107▶ & HG04003▶STU-Tamil.
's 67 Marker results do enhance the insight in to the relations of the J2a-L1064 group. According to calculations the new 50% probability distance in generations to the nearest kits (in parentesis the previous distance with only 37 Markers):
- 21 (25): 33308 Weeks US
- 23 (29): N37321 Taylor England
- 31 (27): Perez Eusebio Mexico SMGF.org
- 31 (27): Lugers 1726-1821 Lower Saxony Germany SMGF.org
- 38 (33): N65610 Santen Unknown Origin
While the relation to the two "english men" Weeks and Taylor is confirmed with aditional markers and now nearer with a distance of ca. 22 generations. Given that one generation is 31 years this would be a distance of 682 years. On the other hand the distance to the other kits (Perez, Lugers, Santen) has slightly increased, indicating that the common ancestor is more distant then to the two english men. This was not visible before.
According to this result W.Med Iberic and W.Med English cluster groups are merged. Costa is even more surely positive for PF5169beeing so near to N37321 Taylor. For confirmation of this common ancestor above L1064, it would be still interesting to test sometime in the future for this SNP. There is no need to do it now, as we hopefully discover new structure and maybe a more interesting SNP will be available.
255106 Bennett (12 Markers) joins the project. He is near (11/12) to 122074 Gardner,Galarneau. His 12 Marker match is 237473 Moore from Ireland with 37 Markers. This speculative cluster seems to have an Atlantic (French-Irish) distribution. Let's hope Bennett and Moore are interested in further research together with Gardner,Galarneau.
PF4341 is recurrent in at least 3 different haplogroups (J2a see this project, R1a-Z94 kit N113205, R1b-L21 kit 60163, source semargl SNP list) and therefore unreliable and not valid for haplogroup discrimination (see ISOGG rules: "it is expected ... that the polymorphism has not been observed more than twice in human history").
Current Y-SNP status - FTDNA kits positive/tested by single order (ytree.ftdna J2a-L26, J2a-L250)
- L26: 443/1050
- Z2221: 3/21, Z2220: 2/23, Z2222: 1/21
- Z2397: 0/5
- PF4341: 0/16, YSC0000253: 0/164
- YSC0000246: 0/10,
- L1064: 10/591, L250.2: 7/483, L251.2: 6/484
Thomas K. (FTDNA Lab) answered about the two unknown L1064 samples and they are both J2a-L26. So this is the current L1064+ situation:Begin July 2013
7 Public: E4955 Kaser, M7436 Al-Ajeel Al-Askar, 166314 Maksoudian, 33308 Weeks, 134080 Costa, 122074 Galarneau, M7424 Al-Saleh,
2 Public Unufficial: N37321 Taylor, 199120 T Riyadh Saudi Arabia,
1 Private: J2a-L26 Saudi Arabia,
: 20 kits have joined, some from other haplogroups. 271582 Najd
is negative for YSC0000246: new split introduced.
End June 2013
: This kits are under 62 gen. (67 Markers) away from current project haplotpyes and therefore good Cluster *B candidates for PF5169:
M8463 AlBaluoshi eissa Jamal albaluoshi Kuwait J2
N99894 Rohr Germany J2
E12430 Nazaryan, Gharaghan, Iran Iran J2a4
166329 Armenia J2a4
182122 Milito Ignazio 1819 - Italy J2a4
M7843 AL-BAKRY Saudi Arabia J2
M6398 United Arab Emirates J2
M6424 United Arab Emirates J2
E11451 Joaquín Márquez, nacido 1910 Unknown Origin J2
26 June 2013
: Project was founded by ChrisR
. Initial haplogroup evidence June 2013 (SNPs in Geno 2.0 chip
, SNPs available for FTDNA order
- PF5197/Z2397, Z2394, Z2395, Z2396, L776
- YSC0000246, YSC0000253, PF4341.1 (Cluster *D)
198631 Khan, N3437 Patel, N5341 Dimitrov, B1620 Albaghdadi, NA20884 GIH-Gujaratis
- PF5169, PF5172, PF5176, PF5190, PF5191, PF5207, PF5233
- L1064, L250.2, L251.2 (Cluster *H)
N37321 Taylor, Kohl/Yaeger
- PF5174, PF5199, PF5215, PF5216
248045 Barela (near to Cluster *B?), N114846 Razack, NA21090 GIH-Gujaratis, PGP141
- PF5177, PF5221, PF7421, PF7423
- CTS3183.2 (only by transfer to FTDNA, questionable)
Pre J2a-PF5197 project news