Geno 2.0
Family Tree DNA is replacing its deep clade test, which checks forshared SNP mutations, with the Geno 2.0 test. This is run at the
Family Tree DNA lab, but is aproduct sponsored by the Genographic Project of the National GeographicSociety,
It tests for 12,000 known SNPs andother mutations.
This can currently be ordered for$199 US only at the Genographic Project site. Link to the GP site. 16/10/2012
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New pages have been added to http://sites.google.com/site/bobsdnai2/home 28/11/2011
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Tree I2*, I2b, I2c
I have place a tree at http://sites.google.com/site/bobsdnai2/tree in which I give the timeline as I have been able to determine it. The Key timeline of the division of I2b and I2c agrees with that as published by Ken Nordtvedt.
FTDNA SALE
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As we approach the holiday season, we feel having one BIG promotion for a sufficient amount of time best supports our volunteer Administrators, in their effort to recruit new members. Current members will also benefit by having simultaneously reduced prices for upgrades.
Effective immediately this promotion will end on December 31, 2011.
We hope that this will give a big boost to your projects!
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mtFullSequence |
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Family Finder |
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ALL ORDERS MUST BE PLACED AND PAID FOR BY MIDNIGHT DECEMBER 31st 2011 TO RECEIVE THE SALE PRICES. THIS PROMOTION IS NOT VALID IN CONJUNCTION WITH ANY OTHER PROMOTIONS OR COUPONS.
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Some of the members of the B Group in I2c placed orders for SNP L473 to see if this would be able to be used to divide the HG. The final result has been received and all results were negative.
So this SNP is of no use to us.
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Would theholders of Kits E8496, N37141 and N46242 contact me privately. Bob
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The nextproposed WTY will be with a kit from the I2c C Group. Donations towards thistest can be made from the link on the Project Home Page.
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21 Sep 2011 On advice from Ken the I2c Bgroup is investigating the relevance of SNP L473 to the project
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From:ISOGG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ISOGG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of katherine_hope_borges
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 1:03 AM
To: ISOGG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ISOGG] NEW Adoptees ISOGG forum
Greetingsall,
If there are any Adoptees on this list or others who have a parentage mystery intheir lineage with adoption or an undocumented adoption, you are invited to joina new ISOGG-sanctioned Adoptees forum:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/isogg-adpt/
or if you have any project members who are adopted or have other similar circumstances,please pass them message on to them.
Richard Hill and myself are the co-moderators for this forum. It’s for members toshare their successes, what works and what doesn't. Feel free to post questionsand ask advice too.
To subscribe in list message mode, send the word 'subscribe' in an e-mail to:
isogg-adpt-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Best wishes,
Katherine
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15 July2010 From theinformation that Ken Nordtvedt has assembled in his work on I haplogroup thegroup of results that have thus far been classified I2* (P215+, P217- andP37.2-) or predicted I2* have no other defining markers (DNS or STR) to furtherclassify them. The analysis of the data so far would put them into three majorgroups DYS 393/390 of 12/24, 13/24 and 14/24. The third group of 14/24 has afurther division further defined at DYS 389, 464c, 456, 438 and 594. At thispoint in the project it would appear that the testing priorities to achieve thefirst objective should be:
1. Testingfor the FTDNA 67 YDNA markers.
2. Testinggot the SMGF additional markers 441, 445, 452, 461, 462, 463, A10, B7, 635(C4).
Asfurther information is gathered and analysed additional testing may beindicated.
We willalso maintain contact with FTDNA in regards to expanding the regions tested inthe WTY testing which currently tests 100,000 or more sites of your ychromosome for whether it is A, G, C, or T. By comparing your results with adefined standard, new SNPs (mutations at a specific site among the 100,000 orso) in the ancestral line of the tested male can be discovered. One personclassified as I2* has taken this test and no new markers were found. Because ofthe cost of this test it is considered wise to wait for the number of sites tobe increased before another I2* is tested. As information of such an increasehas been received a new candidate has submitted his sample for testing.
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6 Sep2010 -----Original Message ----- From: "Ken Nordtvedt" Sent: Sunday, September05, 2010 11:56 PM
Subject:[yDNAhgI] Exciting new I2* Clade
Over thelast couple days an exciting new, isolated (in both time and geography) cladeof I2* has been found.
1) It isfunny what excites some of us, and 2) I believe its I2*. Present count ofmembers consists of 6 Italians, 3 Croats, I Greek, 1 Serbian, and 1 Tyrolean?The clade, itself, looks to be only about 2000 years old to its TMRCA, but thiscould be biased down because such an isolated clade is likely to be found withits most conforming haplotypes first.
Buthere's what is so interesting: it'sinterclade node with other clades of I2* are ancient. Let's call this clade fornow I2*-ADR; the I2* project folks may want to use a different clade nickname?Here are interclade node age estimates: ADR-Arm 12,000 years ADR-J 15,500 yearsADR-14 12,750 years ADR-13 12,900 years ADR-12 14,000 years
Armstands for Armenian cluster; J stands for Jewish cluster. The estimated TMRCAsfor Arm, J, 12, 13, 14 clades are all much, much less than 12,000 years Ethnicclades J and Arm seem to be affiliated with I2*-14 clade. The J clade is soyoung it just reaches back to a historic era TMRCA.
Membersfor this new I2*-ADR were found in ysearch, smgf, ancestry.com, yhrd, and othergeographical projects. Just the Greek has snp tests, and they point toward I2*but have not totally closed the deal yet (P38+, P37-, M223-, M253-)
There isa brand new I2* project with gung-ho administrators. I2* seems to be ourdeepest in time peek into the origins of y haplogroup I due to mainly to itsage and pecularities of its geographical distribution in Europe and SW Asia. Myown database contains hundreds of I2* haplotypes.
Only asmall fraction of them have joined the I2* project so far because of thenewness of the project. I urge I2* folks to join that project. Some of thebenefits are discounts on further STR or SNP tests. Many of these I2*haplotypes I see in my database only have a limited number of STR markers. Byexpanding to the full 67 plus smgf markers, you could greatly help researchinto the phylogenetic tree structure of I2* and learn how your line relates toit all. Here's the address for the I2* project. Join up and let's try to findout where our haplogroup I earliest ancestors were and when? http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I2nosubcladeM170P215/default.aspxKen
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Here are some of my thoughts on what to test and on what priority. As this is an YDNA project I will concentrate on that area. One of the things we must first decide is what are we testing for? Once that has been decided then you are ready to look at what tests are available. Oh and a comment before I start, considering we are all working on a budget of some type or other join a name or geographical project and order your first test through them. This will help you get the best prices available at the time you order.
What DNAtraces what?
1.YDNAtraces a direct paternal line.
2.mtDNAtraces a direct maternal line.
3.AutosomalDNA can cross the above lines e.g. you fathers mothers paternal line. FamilyFinder is such a test.
Mypriority is to test to the highest possible test that my budget can cover asthis will give the best value for my dollar. With this in mind I list the orderthat I would consider ordering tests with the emphasis on YDNA I2*Haplogroup.
1.ComprehensiveGenome test - This is a combination YDNA, Full mtDNA and Family Finder.
2.UpgradeYDNA67 with the 9 additional SMGF markers
3.SuperDNA test – This is a combination YDNA and Full mtDNA.
4.UpgradeYDNA67 with the 9 additional SMGF markers
5.YDNA67+ mtDNAPlus.
6.UpgradeYDNA67 with the 9 additional SMGF markers
7.YDNA37+ mtDNAPlus.
8.YDNA67or YDNA37+mtDNA.
9.UpgradeYDNA67 with the 9 additional SMGF markers
10.YDNA12+ mtDNA.
11.YDNA37.
12.YDNA25.
13.YDNA12.
14.UpgradeYDNA12 to YDNA67.
15.UpgradeYDNA67 with the 9 additional SMGF markers
16.UpgradeYDNA12 to YDNA37.
17.UpgradeYDNA12 to YDNA25.
18.UpgradeYDNA25 to YDNA67.
19.UpgradeYDNA67 with the 9 additional SMGF markers
20.UpgradeYDNA25 to YDNA37.
21.UpgradeYDNA37 to YDNA67.
22.UpgradeYDNA67 with the 9 additional SMGF markers.
Becauseof my budget I tested as follows YDNA67 + mtDNAplus, Deep Clade, Family Finder(it was not available when I started) and just recently the SMGF 9 additionalmarkers.
TheYDNA67 told me I was predicted M170+ I2.
The deepclade didn’t tell me any more than a predictive program could but did give methe following SNP results. P215+, P217- and P37.2-, which placed me in I2 butnot in I2a or I2b and as no I2 has so far been found into I2*.
SMGF9 resultshave added to the DYS data.
Familyfinder results are in as are being worked on.