Project News
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Rootsweb discussion group Haplogroup I
TIMELINE
Listed below is "News" from various sources regarding I2a Haplogroup and its subclades, in chronological order, with links to the sources.
Feb 27, 2006. Lewis Banks, kit #41616 started a project for M26 members. So little was known about M26, he felt he could post what info he could gather for the members and collect markers for geneticists to research. When FTDNA changed their designations to match ISOGG, he changed the projects name to include the entire I1b/I2a Haplogroup in order to assist non-M26 members.
May 08, 2006 Aaron Hill posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Haplogroup Descriptions
This is the very first posting on Hg I list by its creator,
Aaron Hill. He also created a website for present day I1
Haplogroup.
May 08, 2006 Aaron Hill posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Understanding Haplogroups
May 19, 2006 Lawrence Mayka posting to Rootsweb Hg I list:
P37.2+ a shorthand test for I1b1
Dec 28, 2006 Wil Husted posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Haplogroup I and Blood groups
Numerous postings on Bloodtypes of Haplogroup I donors.
March 25, 2007 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Our Precarious Beginnings
May 08, 2007 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Dinaric I1b1 and DYS 448
Ken hopes DYS 448 will cleve Dinaric I1b1 into two subclades.
May 08, 2007 John Weaver posting to Rootsweb Hg I list:
Books sheding light on Hg I's history and culture
Aug 28, 2007 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Haplogroup I in Europe
Aug 31, 2007 Victor Paul posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
How to read Ken's "Founder Haplotypes" spreadsheet?
Victor has numerous questions about determining his subclade
Ken Nordtvedt's answers
Oct 02, 2007 Ken Nordtvedt posting to Rootsweb Hg I list:
Kittler Order..2 extremes
Ken discusses "Kittler Order" test results for DYS 385 which include I1b1-Dinaric haplotypes.
Oct 17, 2007 ISOGG revised Hg I as follows:
I1b S31
I1b1 P37.2 (formally I1b)
I1b1a P41.2/M359.2 (formally I1b1)
I1b1b M26 (formally I1b2)
I1b1b1 M161 (formally I1b2a)
Oct 19, 2007 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
I1b1-Isles and P41 SNP
Oct 20, 2007 Ken's follow-up to his previous posting.
I1b1 and P41
Oct 22, 2007 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
What's an I1b1-Western SNP worth to us?
Ken says I1b1-Western has the longest branch separating it from the rest of "I" and which has no defining SNP, to assess the probability of finding by deliberate search, such an SNP. ..probably separated from the rest of "I" some 500 generations before its MRCA.
Nov 05, 2007 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Dividing I1b1-Dinaric
Nov 05, 2007 postings on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Another I1b1 Oddity
Ken Nordtvedt and Joseph Rondinella discuss I1b1's complete absence in Norway or Sweden or Finland.
Nov 28, 2007 Ken Nordtvedt posting to Rootsweb Hg I list:
Was y Haplogroup I early in Europe?
Dec 10, 2007 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Kittler Report --Do a Kittler!
Ken tabulates Kittler results todate for Haplogroup I.
Dec 10, 2007 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Just 8 male ancestors 16,000 years ago
Dec 11 Follow-up
Shows I1b1 subclades
Dec 15, 2007 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Dinaric I1b1 Varience
Ken says I1b1 Dinaric is about 3600 years old.
Dec 20, 2007 postings on Rootsweb Hg I list:
P41+ is Southern I1b1-Dinaric
Ken Nordtvedt and Victor Paul discuss Dinaric North & South differences.
Dec 24, 2007 Joseph Rondinella posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Origins of the British
Joseph, Ken Nordtvedt, Gary Felix and others discuss Oppenheimers book which states Haplogroup I1a lived in the Balkens during the last Ice age. Ken refutes this saying that I1a didn't appear until after the last IGM. M26 is a focus of later discussions.
Dec 31, 2007 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
My Haplogroup I Website Update
Jan 09, 2008 Plos (Public Library of Science) One: Issue 1
Y-Chromosome Based Evidence for Pre-Neolithic Origin of the Genetically Homogeneous but Diverse Sardinian Population: Inference for Association Scans
Sardinia and I-M26 discussed.
Feb 05, 2008 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
The Story of I1b1(P37.2+)
Ken discusses his findings on I1b1 and its subclades.
Follow-up to I1b1
Feb 06, 2008 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
M423 and P37
Ken says it may separate Dinaric from Isles and from Western. M423 is ancestral for M26+ and positive for Dinaric P37.2+.
Feb 8, 2008 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
M423 placed in my I tree
Ken discusses new SNP M423
Feb 19, 2008 Ken Nordtvedt posting at Rootsweb Hg I list:
M423 SNP for I1b1 is Here
Ken discusses the new M423 SNP, says I1b1 Western = 15 repeats (alleles) at DYS 388; Isles generally has low 11 or 12 repeats at DYS 385a while having normal 13 repeats at DYS 388; Dinaric is almost always 14-15 at DYS 385.
Feb 23, 2008 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
My Website Update
Ken says due to forthcoming nomenclature changes, he will start using the appropriate downstream SNP names as Haplogroup names from now on.
March 03, 2008 Ken Nordtvedt posting at Rootsweb Hg I list:
M423 for Western I1b1
Ken says "M423 splits I1b1 (P37.2+) by rendering Dinaric clades positive and western clades negative" ...."you are I1b1-Western if you have 15 at DYS 388 and 18 at DYS 448 and 10 at DYS 607. You will also have 12-15 at DYS 385 and 11-14-14-15 at DYS 464 or something close to that."
March 04, 2008 Ken Nordtvedt posting to Rootsweb Hg I list:
Ancient Asterisk for I1b1(P37.2+*-Western Clade
By having an asterisk with P37.2+*-Western, means members of this subclade are negative on any known downstream SNPs.
March 18, 2008 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
New y Haplogroup I paper
Ken summarizes and comments on "New Phylogenetic Relationships for Y-Chromosome Haplogroup I."
March 25, 2008 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
M423 splits P37.2+ Robustly
Ken reports that an I1b1-Dinaric haplotype of eastern Europe was found derived, M423+. Two I1b1-Western of western Europe were found ancestral, M423-. One I1b1-Isles was found ancestral, M423-. M423 is downstream from P37.2 SNP.
More about M423 Results
March 31, 2008 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
First M161+
Ken discusses his first finding of a donor who tested M161+.
April 04, 2008 "Genealogie Fritsche" posting to Rootsweb Hg I list:
Angles, Saxons and Jutes
April 04, 2008 Ken Nordtvelt posting to Rootsweb Hg I list:
MRCA Ages by SNP counts
April 26, 2008 Aaron Hill posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
New "GINA" law would stop Genetic discrimination
April 29, 2008 Aaron Hill posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Scientists Reshape Y Chromosome Haplogroup Tree Gaining new insights into Human Ancestry
April 29, 2008 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
M423/P37 Report
Ken's quick update on results so far for M423
May 05, 2008: ISOGG changes the subclade numbering.
2007 2008
I1b = I2
I1b1 = I2a
I1b1a = I2a2
I1b1b = I2a1
I1b1b1 = I2a1a
May 16, 2008 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Hg I Clade Ages
May 16, 2008 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb GENEALOGY-DNA list
Pinpointing M423 in I tree
June 12, 2008 Diana Gale Matthiesen posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Derived vs Ancestral SNPs
The "derived" condition means you possess a "new" mutation, one not possessed by your ancestors. If you don't possess this mutation, it means you have the "ancestral" condition.
June 15, 2008 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
3 DeCODE SNPs
Ken discusses 3 SNPs affecting P37.2-Western.
June 16, 2008 Keith Harris posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
New Scientific American article "Traces of a distant Past"
Discusses "out of Africa" into Europe treks of our ancestors.
July 21, 2008 Diana Gale Matthiesen posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Genetic testing labs
Diana clarifies that SNP and Haplogroup studies are deep ancestry, not genealogy. "Determing your haplogroup subclade is an interesting thing to know about oneself, but knowing it is not going to help you with your genealogy".
Aug 05, 2008 Zdenko Markovic and Ken Nordtvedt postings on Rootsweb Hg I list:
FTDNA topology of M423
Topology of M423 is P37.2+ M26- P41.2-.
Aug 05, 2008 postings at Rootsweb Hg I by Graham Durant, Ken Nordtvelt and John O'Grady on testing M423
M423 testing
Aug 12, 2008 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Roostweb Hg I list:
M423 Isles A,B,C and D
Aug 31, 2008 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
What's In and Not In Scandinavia?
Ken gives MRCA's for I2a & subclades and asks why are only the young Hg's found in Scandinavia?
Sept 11, 2008 Elizabeth Harris posting on Rootsweb Hg I list in response to Chris Haynes query about location of I2a-Western in UK? Counties = Northampton, Nottingham, Lancashire and Worchester (per Todd Johnson's "Todds Report").
I2a-Western in UK?
Sept 19, 2008 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
"Is Northern I-M26 Older?".
Oct 13, 2008 Ken Nordtvedt's posting on Rootsweb Haplogroup I list:
Random Comments on the State of y "I" Ken mentions I2a1-Isles, I2a M26+ and M423.
As of 21 Oct 2008, FTDNA has expanded Haplogroup I2a's tree to incorporate a separate branch. Subclade M423 and its subtype P41.2 will now be designated I2a2 and I2a2a, and M26 and M161 are now designated as I2a1 and I2a1a.
Oct 31, 2008 Rootsweb posting on Haplogroup I list:
Bill Morrow becomes new Group Adm for I2a Haplogroup Project at FTDNA
Oct 31, 2008 Bill Morrow, kit #11612, became new Group Administrator for I2a. At that time there were 85 members. Lewis Banks was on active duty with the military and couldn't give the project the attention it deserved. He asked Bill to treat all subclades equally and turned control of the project over to him.
The 85 members were divided according to their subgroup and whether they had confirmed or predicted subHaplogroups.This made some very large groups, especially M26 = I2a1.
Bill felt the members should be divided by their most downstream SNPs (which wouldn't be changing so often as Haplogroup numbering). This would make the groups smaller. He followed Ken Nordtvedt's numbering system of SNPs and further division by Ken's research findings. Bill used J.T. Cullen's Haplogroup subclade predictor to find subclades of each member and then updated the Y-DNA Results portion of the I2a website accordingly. This resulted in 12 subclades.
Dec 5, 2008 FTDNA emailed that they could not add Modal haplotypes of each subclade of I2a per Bill's request, to YDNA Results portion of our I2a Haplogroup project website. He instead plans to email each subclade and type in the particular modal for those members to compare with their own haplotypes.
Dec 05, 2008 postings on Hg I list:
I2* Geography
Ken Nordtvedt, Bernie Cullen, Pete Hanke, Diana Gale Matthiesen discuss I2* vs I2a
Ken's Chart showing I2* and I2a relationships
Dec 05, 2008 email to Ron Radzilowski from Larry Mayka that "based on what he has seen so far, Ken Nordtvedt still thinks the origin of M423-Isles-B in what is now Germany, to be most likely. But this view could change if we find more (info)..Ken estimates the age of M423-Isles-B to be 6600 years."
December 12, 2008, the yDNA test results of I2a members have been divided into 12 subclades by Bill Morrow at the I2a website. This made smaller, more defined groups and allowed easier exchange of info between members.
Dec 19, 2008 Rootsweb Hg I list,
SNP for Dinaric I2a2a Ken Nordtvedt discusses rs9786274 of 23andMe makes P37.2+ Western as I2a* and P37.2+ M423+ Isles becomes I2a2 and P37.2+ M423+ rs9786274 = T Dinaric I2a2a; P37.2+ M26+ = I2a1.
Dec 24, 2008 email to Bill Morrow from Steve Williamson regarding I-M423. "I-M423 Balkan Y chromosomes are consistent with a late Mesolithic time frame. In addition the low frequency and variance associated to I-M423 in Anatolia & middle east support an European Mesolithic origin."
Dienekes Anthropology Blog
European Journal of Human Genetics
Dec 25, 2008 ISOGG chart for I2a:
I2 (formally I1b)
I2a P37.2
I2a1 M26
I2a1a M161
I2a2 M423
I2a2a P41.2/M359.2
I2a2b rs59786274 = T
Jan 07, 2009 ISOGG
I2a P37.2
I2a1 M26
I2a1a M161
I2a2 M423
I2a2a P41.2/M359.2
I2a2b L69 (=T)
January 6, 2009 the I2a group had 108 members. The I2a website had been updated to incorporate changes and new information.
Jan 09, 2009 postings at Rootsweb Hg I list:
Haplogroup I info wanted
Ken Nordtvedt asked for more Hg I haplotypes and Bernie Cullen explains how to search Ancestry for haplotypes, Haplogroups and surname matches.
Jan 11, 2009 Rootsweb Hg I list:
Early Isles Farmers I2a2a-Isles (P37.2+ M423+) Ken Nordtvedt references TIMESONLINE "Radiocarbon dates indicate early Irish were just visiting".
As of Jan 15, 2009 the I2a group has 112 members.
Jan 17, 2009 Bill Morrow posting on Rootsweb Hg I list, Invitation of anybody predicted or snp tested I2a and its subclades, to join the I2a group. Invitation to Join I2a.
Jan 20, 2009 Bernie Cullen posting on Roosweb Hg I list:
Volunteers needed to look for new Hg I results
Jan 21, 2009 Ken Nordtvedt posting at Rootsweb Hg I list:
New SNP for Hg I
Ken discusses rs 9786274 = S163 at EthnoAncestry which is G for Isles and T for Dinaric. In a follow up posting he says Dinaric is 14-15 at DYS 385, Isles are 11 or 12 at DYS 385; Dinaric has higher 439 generally.
Jan 22, 2009 Ken Nordtvedt email to Bill Morrow suggests that I2a members of M423 Dinaric and Isles could be tested for SNP S163 at EthnoAncestry to find out which subclade they belong.
Jim Keaveney noted that FTDNA will have L69 (same as S163) in the future and if a member of FTDNA was tested for M423, the L69 test is free.
Jan 22, 2009 Ken Nordtvedt's posting on Rootswebs Hg I list,
Age of Sardinian M26
which he concluded..." M26+ I2a1 is not dominated by Iberian or Sardinian representatives. France is strong and elsewhere on the Atlantic seaboard of Europe. Also Italy. He noted how very young I2a-Dinaric M423+ S163+ of Eastern Europe remains as a population, even though it is spread north and south over a long range -- Baltic states down to Balkans.."
Jan 29, 2009 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Kittler for I2a1-Sardinian
Jan 29, 2009 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Is I2a1 the oldest Clade in Western Europe?
Jan 31, 2009 Aaron Hill posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Deep Clade Tests
Aaron says "generally a waste of money. Please upgrade to as many markers as possible"
Feb 01, 2009 Aaron Hill, et al postings on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Preliminary Summary of new HIV Hg I Study
Study finds infectious disease-DNA connection Y Chromosome ..Hg I shows greater risk than other Hg's to moving into AIDS much faster. An independent analysis of AIDS-related illnesses also suggests the increased risk of the Y-I haplogroup in all disease catagories
Feb 01, 2009 Bill Morrow and others postings
Hg I descendants might be headed to extinction?
Feb 02, 2009 Bill Morrow posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Bill clarifies Feb 1 remarks
Feb 12, 2009 In response to a question from a I2a member as to how many projects can a person join at FamilytreeDNA, here's FTDNA project limits:
2 surname projects
1 Y-DNA Geographical project
1 mtDNA Geographical project
2 Dual Geographical projects
1 mtDNA and 1 Y-DNA haplogroup project
Feb 20, 2009 Ken Nordtvedt posting to Rootswebs Hg I list:
New I2a2 "Din-Isles" clade and SNP test
one match in I2a group members
This means we now have a new clade within I2a, bringing the total to 14 separate subclades.
Din and Isles members are encouraged to check their own haplotype against the DYS markers of the new clade to see whether theirs match or do not match. (Ken would certainly be elated with more haplotypes of this new clade). The new clade DYS markers: 17,10 15-15 at DYS 19, 391 and 385a,b; 21 at DYS 448; 12-14-14-15 at DYS464 and the usual DYS388=13 and YCAIIa,b = 21,21; other DYS: 406=10; 511=10; 534=11; 565=11 per Brad Pierce who is a member of this new group. (Brad says that Ken deleted 511, 534 & 565 from the new modal on March 09, 2009).
Feb 20, 2009: Ken followed up by saying it doesn't have to be a perfect match of the mentioned DYS markers.
Feb 21, 2009 Ken Nordtvedt et al postings on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Ken names the new clade I2a2-Disles.
This is a contraction of Dinaric and Isles.
Feb 21, 2009 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
My Hg I website update
New clade I2a2-Disles discussed.
Feb 24, 2009 Changed I2a2-Disles to I-M423-Disles within
I2a website to match Ken's FoundersHaps.xls
Feb 25, 2009 email from Tim Owens to Ken Nordtvedt "I2a2-Isles":
current position?:
"That the I2a2-Isles clades most likely originated in what is now Germany. Clade A contains no continentals as yet; Clade B, the oldest, contains 2 Germans, and assorted French, Poles & Basques; Clade C contains no continentals as yet; and Clade D (Tim is a member) contains 1 German. Is this up to date? (Ken's) conjecture that Clade C originated in the British Isles ...who may have been in the oldest Clade B...for what it is worth, Isles B folk entering the British Isles via Doggerland from what is now the German plain, going first to Scotland and then on to Ireland 'giving birth' to Isles Clades A,C and D."
Ken's reply:
"A has 1 of 38 continental--Italian
B has 13 of 35 continental--Poles, Germans, French, Basque
C has 3 of 37 continental-- place indeterminate
D has 1 of 42 continental-- German
(Ken) I agree with your theory although I don't know about the timing yet. I should do an age estimate again."
Feb 27, 2009 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
New Subclade of P37.2+ I2a*-Western
Ken displays DYS markers which have shifts from the I2a*-Western modal
Bill Morrow response
Bill shows five kit numbers (of I-P37.2-Western members) who match one or more of the defining markers of the new clade. Ken may want to add their haplotypes to his database?
Feb 28, 2009 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
A French clade of M26+
Ken lists six DYS markers which define the new clade:
DYS alleles
(3) 19 = 17
(4)391 = 09
(9)439 = 12,13
(18)447 = 24
(36)442 = 13
DYS 461 = 23,13
March 01, 2009 Bill Morrow posting on Hg I list
11 members of I2a may fit new clade
March 01, 2009 Wil Husted posting on Hg I list
Wil disagrees with Ken's M26 MRCA of 6,000 years ago.
March 3, 2009 added new clade to I2a, I-P37.2-Western Isles
March 4, 2009 added new clade to I2a, I-M26-France
March 5, 2009 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
I2a2 M423+ P41.2
Ken discusses Dinaric vs. Isles, gives background info.
March 5, 2009 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Dinaric I Variances
Ken gives coalescence =(fuse; to grow together)& Interclade ages
of Dinaric N and S.
March 10, 2009 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Ken answers Wil Husted's questions on Hg I beginnings
March 11, 2009 Charles Hollenbeck posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Charles answers Wil's questions on Hg I beginnings
March 11, 2009 Charles Hollenbeck posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Charles answers Wil's questions on I2a1 being Danes/Germans
March 11, 2009 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Ken answers Weldon Smith's questions, mentions I2 and I2a, P37.2+ beginnings
March 17, 2009 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Finding new SNP's in Hg I
Ken proposes several SNP searches of Hg I clades.
March 19, 2009 Ken Nortdvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Ken summarizes SNP searches
March 19, 2009
Three options for SNP searches are discussed
(1) I2a*-Western and a donor from any of the I2* clades
(2) I2b1 Roots to an I2b1-Cont - 1 or 2
(3) Some form of I1-AS1 and I1-AS
March 20, 2009
I2a Haplogroup Project to handle donations
March 20, 2009
I2 SNP search project is a GO
Initial project will compare dna from I2a2-Isles-D clade donor and an I2* haplogroup donor.
March 21, 2009
This I2a website is set up to receive donations. Click onto the icon: Contribute to the Surname Project General Fund in the upper left of this screen. Scroll back up to the top of this page, then move your cursor over the icon, and click onto it. When the donation screen appears, instructions are shown for donating by credit card, Paypal or by sending your check or money order by US Mail.
These donations will pay the costs for the SNP search which are $1500 per search. Three such searches are proposed. If the first is successful, we will move on to the other searches. So your donation may be used on those (with your approval). All such searches will benefit all Hg I folks. With new SNPs being found, your particular subclade might benefit, and your donation could go towards the cost of testing a new SNP? So lots of doors being opened by these SNP searches.
March 21, 2009 received $750 donation from John O'Grady, I2a2-M423-Isles-D2 donor for the forthcoming I2a/ I2* SNP search at FTDNA. John gave his permission to reveal his name as donor on this website.
March 21, 2009 I2* donor (name withheld for privacy reasons) sent his application to Dr Krahn at FTDNA
March 23, 2009 John O'Grady, I2a2-M423-Isles-D2 donor mailed his application to Dr. Krahn at FTDNA
March 30, 2009 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Haplogroup Takeovers
April 02, 2009 BBC News:
Clues to ancient invasion in DNA
ancient invasion of Scotland from Ireland. 40% of pop of western Isles could have Viking ancestry while no Viking ancestry was found in NE Scotland.
April 4, 2009 John O'Grady, I2a2-M423-Isles-D2 donor mailed his new DNA samples to FTDNA
April 4, 2009 Ken Nortdvedt posting to Rootsweb Hg I list:
I2a2-Isles Clades divide again
Isles A,B,C and D are now A1,A2,B1,B2,C1,C2,D1,D2. As soon as possible I will change members over to their new subclade.
April 6, 2009 Aiden Mulvihill emailed a link of a map showing locations of Haplogroup I SNP's throughout Europe.
Map of Haplogroup I's SNP locations throughout continental Europe
April 6, 2009 Wil Husted posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Surprise! Wil begins his own "Walk Through the Y" project, I2a1-M26-A at FTDNA.
April 8, 2009 Wil's follow up posting at Hg I
I2a/M26 SNP search
Wil decides to wait for his test results to see if there are useful results before proceeding with another M26 SNP search.
April 8, 2009 FTDNA began "Walk Through the Y" test for John O'Grady, the I2a2-M423-Isles-D2 donor. His $750 donation was withdrawn from the I2a general fund by FTDNA, to pay for his portion of the SNP search.
April 9, 2009 Aaron Hill posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
I1* Walk through the Y
Aaron advises for any Hg I person wanting the "Walk through the Y" test can deal directly with Dr. Krahn at FTDNA rather than dealing with a Haplogroup Project Group Administrator.
April 9, 2009 the I2* donor (at Barcelona, Spain) sent his DNA kit to FTDNA at Houston, Tx.
April 10, 2009 Aaron Hill posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Donations to I1* SNP search
Aaron says anybody wishing to donate to I1 can use the I1 Project and show "Walk Through the Y Project" on their donations. Then send an email to m253@googlegroups.com (I1 group adm email).
April 10, 2009 Adam Waalkes posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Any news on a Manager for I2b1 SNP search donations? Adam is I2b1-Cont-1a M223+ and is willing to be a DNA donor plus contribute towards SNP search.
April 10, 2009 Greg Moore emailed a link to BBC news article on "Signs of earliest Scots unearthed near Biggar in South Lanarkshire may date back to 12,000 to 14,000 years ago"
Early Scots
April 11, 2009 Obed Odom posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Update on I1* WTY application
Obed Odom says he submitted his application for his I1* "Walk Through the Y" test 2 days ago to Dr. Krahn; he erroneously gave Haplogroup I Project (instead of Hg I1) as the WTY Group; intends to fully self fund his test, if application approved.
April 12, 2009 Aaron Hill posts on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Dr Krahn's 2009 presenation of Walk through the Y
Dr Krahn's 2007 presentation of Walk on the Y
April 13, 2009 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Disles I2a2 is T at S163.2 aka L69
Ken says S163 aka L69 is a useful snp to divide I2a2-Isles from I2a2-Dinaric and Disles.
April 13, 2009 John O'Grady emailed that his Walk Through the Y
testing is in batch 303 and estimated completion date is May 20, 2009.
April 14, 2009 Aaron Hill postings on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Estonia Genome Project
Estonia Genome Project website
April 15, 2009 emails from Gary Felix, Mexico DNA Project Adm and Wil Husted regarding an Iberian participant with Wil's Walk Through the Y SNP search. Gary says there are a couple of M26 tested members, and Wil asked Gary to see if someone could pay the full $750 for his test, otherwise, Wil said Bill Morrow has offered to handle an I2a1/M26 fund for accepting donations. Wil thinks his DNA specimen should have arrived in Houston by now and may be at the laboratory.
April 15, 2009 Aaron Hill posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Deep Clade Testing at FTDNA
Aaron encourages that everyone concerned requests individual SNP testing be available rather than only the Deep Clade testing..using L22 as an example. It is not available except in Deep Clade testing.
Aaron's above posting gives two links to FTDNA to use in sending a request to them to give us individual SNP tests rather than a more expensive group of SNPs tested, some of which may not be revelent to us.
April 18, 2009 O.W. Odom reported that he had mailed his sample kit to FTDNA for his I1* Walk Through the Y.
April 19, 2009 ISOGG clarified L69 to L69.2 and added equivalent S163.2 plus added notes* on their relationship to P41.2/M359.2.
*Note: L69.2(=T)/S163.2 appears in Hg I. L69/S163 appears in multiple locations.
*Note: The exact relationship between P41.2/M359.2 and L69.2(=T)/S163.2 is being studied as of 19 April 2009 as one sample is positive for both. The current chart shows them as mutally exclusive.
Source: ISOGG 2009
April 20, 2009 Bill Morrow asked for donations from the 59 M26's of I2a to help finance Wil Husted's M26 SNP searches, he is one DNA donor with subclade = M26-A, of British descent, c1575 Pilsdon, Dorset; he wants another donor from M26 Iberian descent; and maybe a third M26 of Italian desent.
April 20, 2009 Julie W of FTDNA returned my email query on the status of the I2* donor, that the I2* donor (for the first SNP search of I2a2-M423-Isles-D2 and I2*) who reported he mailed his DNA kit from Barcelona, Spain on April 9th, ..her response: "it may take four weeks or longer for his DNA sample to make it thru customs".. to Houston. That means May 9th or later for FTDNA to receive his kit.
April 20, 2009 "BBC news"
DNA test to prove Bronze Age link 4,000 years ago
Local Wales men are needed for DNA tests to prove their distant ancestors moved from the Mediterranean to north Wales as migrant workers. Higher than average presence of a DNA marker that is commonly found in people from the Balkans and Spain.
April 21, 2009 Jane Gilbert becomes Group Administrator of the I2b1 Haplogroup Project, taking over from Grant South.
April 21, 2009 an anonymous donor has paid $750 for his own "Walk Through the Y" SNP search. His kit is already at Houston, pending shipment to the lab. His subclade is I2a2b-M423-Disles. This should work well with the I2a2-M423-Isles-D2 donor and the I2* donor. And let's not forget Wil Husted who had paid his $750 cost for WoY of his subclade I2a1-M26-A. These SNP searches should really produce some results, ie, new SNPs to allow us more knowledge about Haplogroup I2* and I2a. Early results should be in late May 2009.
April 22, 2009 Wil Husted's "Walk Through the Y" SNP search is posted at FTDNA, his kit is at Houston, pending shipment to the lab.
April 22, 2009 the I2* donor's kit arrived at FTDNA (whew!) This will allow all four "Walk Through the Y" SNP searches to happen simultaneously.
To recap, the subclades involved in the first SNP search:
(1) I2a2-M423-Isles-D2
(2) I2*
(3) I2a1-M26-A
(4) I2a2b-M423-Disles.
Ken Nordtvedt has also proposed SNP searches for I2b1 and I1 which are needing donations now.
April 22, 2009 Two donors in the I2a/I2*SNP searches (M423-Disles and M26-A), kits are in FTDNA batch 305 and their estimated date for completion is June 3, 2009.
April 23, 2009 the I2* donor in the SNP search emailed that his kit is in batch 305 at FTDNA, with results due June 3, 2009.
April 23, 2009 Adam Waalkes posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
I2b1* "Walk Through the Y" SNP search
Adam says he was accepted for WTY, his subclade is I2b1-M223-Cont-1a.
April 24, 2009 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list
I2b1 SNP search
Ken asks for more contributions; discusses possible outcomes of the I2b1 SNP search.
April 25, 2009 email from Dr. Greg Moore which enclosed an April 13 email from Dr. Angelika Kritz, of EthnoAncestry "please note that S163.2 is a back mutation. Chromosomes in groups A-G carry T at this marker, whereas chromosomes in Group I, J and K carry G. However, a subgroup of chromosomes within I2a have reverted to T."
April 28, 2009 Ken Nordtvedt email to Greg Moore, subject: I-M423 Disles. ..."markers which seem to best distinquish Disles from Dinaric: DYS 464c = 14; DYS 19= 17; 391=10; 385a=15; DYS 635 high; 406=10; 511=10; 461=11; 446=12; 565=11; 395b=17.
April 29, 2009 Jane Gilbert reports I2b1 SNP search donations total $1230 ($1330 by 1pm) needs $170 more to fully fund the I2b1 SNP search ($1500).
April 30, 2009 One half of the I2b1 SNP search is underway with the I2b1-M223-Cont-1a donor's "Walk Through the Y" funded, which means FTDNA has started his SNP search. The I2b1 group still needs $120 to fund the other half of the I2b1 search. Any donation will be appreciated from anybody.
Jane Gilbert instructions for I2b1 donations
May 01, 2009 Jane Gilbert posting on Rootsweb Hg I list
I2b1 SNP search is ongoing
Jane reports the I2b1 SNP search is fully funded. The donors subclades are I-M223-Cont1(Adam Waalkes) and I-M223-Root2 (Phil Alfeld).
May 02, 2009 Group Adm notes: Since we have a lull in our activites awaiting SNP search results, I will start gathering tidbits of info on each current subclade which will be added to the "Results" section of this I2a website. Such as defining SNPs, defining DYS markers, where subclades might have originated, age back to common ancestor for each subclade, etc. Please email Group Adm Bill Morrow if you want to contribute any info or data.
May 09, 2009 Bryan Cook posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Maps of Neolithic and Bronze Age migrations in Europe
Distribution of European Y-Chromosome DNA haplogroupgs by Region
Origins, age spread and ethnic association of European Haplogroups and Subclades
Folks, do click onto these links and move around inside Eupedia websites, lots of tidbits on I2a, hope it's all correct :)
lots of flak from other readers, Bryan says he's headed to his foxhole. I say look it all over and use what you can.
May 9, 2009 Bryan Cook posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
Est. Y-DNA distribution 2000 years ago Maciamo is the author, posting is dated Feb 23, 2009 at Eupedia.
May 9, 2009 OW Odom posting on Rootsweb Hg I list:
I1 project WTY update
May 9, 2009 Group Adm Bill Morrow begins adding I2a subclade descriptions to the Results section of this website. Descriptions to include known SNPs, Defining SNPs, Defining DYS markers and Distinguishing DYS markers for each subclade.
May 18, 2009 Group Adm Bill Morrow is upgrading to yDNA 67 markers and later will apply for the "Walk Through the Y" SNP search. Bill will pay all his costs. Bill's subclade is P37.2-Western, so that should work well with the other ongoing I2a/ I2* WTY SNP searches.
May 19, 2009: Whit Athey, Editor, says Spring 2009 issue of Journal of Genetic Genealogy has been issued: JoGG Spring 2009
May 25, 2009: Status of I2a members upgrading at FTDNA:
Pending shipments to Lab: 3 upgrades in DYS markers; 1 deep clade-I.
Unreceived Lab Results for I2a members: (partial list)
(1) one Walk Through the Y SNP search in batch 303 due 5/25/2009
(2) Two Walk Through the Y SNP searches in batch 305 are due 6/8/2009.
(3) 12 upgrades in DYS markers in batch 309 are due 7/8/2009
May 25, 2009: I1 SNP's Ken has a new approach which might have a cost advantage over WTY's.
May 28, 2009: Don't mention test prices Genealogy-DNA List Adm. Jim Bullock reminds everybody not to mention prices of products or services on Rootsweb lists.
May 30, 2009: A major question in this field: archaeology,languages, mtDNA, Y-DNA and atDNA Andrew Lancaster refers to his article in JoGG Spring 2009
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June 1, 2009:Status of I2a members upgrading at FTDNA:
Pending Shipments to Lab
Two mtDNA Refine
One Deep Clade-I
Two Upgrades in yDNA markers
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Unreceived Lab Results:
........................................Batch.....Est.Result Date
One Walk Through Y.....303........5/25/09
One mtHvr2toMega(FGS)..303........5/25/
Two Walk Through Y.....305........6/08/
One Upgrade Markers....306........6/17
One Autosomal CCR5.....308........6/29
12 upgrade markers.....309........7/06
One upgrade markers....310........7/13
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June 1, 2009: Updated Haplogroup I Tree Ken Nordtvedt has updated his "Warpedfounderstree" showing relationships between the various subclades of Haplogroup I.
Here's a jpg version: Hg I Tree by Ken
June 5, 2009 Italy acted as a Refuge for Paleolithic humans
Research to be published in June 12 issue of American Journal of Human Genetics.
AJHG article . Both mtDNA U5b3 and yDNA I2a1-M26 founder event marking both female and male lineages in Sardinia.
June 6, 2009. FamilytreeDNA has a new feature in section Y-DNA Results of this I2a website:
YDNA Most Distant Known Ancestor Distribution Map (All New Map).
To get to the new map in the Y-DNA Results section, scroll up to the top of this webpage, move your cursor to the left over the icon "Y-DNA Results" and click onto the icon. When the new screen appears, scroll below the haplotypes to the Map. The new feature is that instead of all haplotypes showing on the map, you now can select any of the subclades of I2a. Those haplotypes of your selected subclade which have their ancestors known location keyed into their personal pages at FTDNA website, will appear. You can click onto any of them to read info on that ancestor. Be sure and click onto "map directions" (after you select your subclade)Move your cursor to the upper right of the map, over the icon "Map Directions" click onto the icon, to learn all new features.
If you haven't added the map location to your most distant ancestor, want to but need help, email Familytreedna: helpdesk@ftdna.com Be sure and show your kit number in the email.
June 9, 2009: FTDNA is having a 1/2 price sale for new members of Surname projects or Geographical Projects, who join between June 9 thru June 30, 2009. yDNA 37 + mtDNA will be dropped from $248 to $119, kits ordered must be paid by June 30.
June 9, 2009 Group Adm Bill Morrow submitted his application to FTDNA's Dr Thomas Krahn for a "Walk Through the Y" SNP search. Self funded. Bill is P37.2*-Western. Ken Nordtvedt emailed: "Bill you stand a very good chance of finding a snp which explicitly tags the I2a* Western clade. That's a very long branch line (20,000 years) on which it can fall. Good luck. Your participation could also help sort out the order in which Western and Sardinian branch apart from the Dinaric/Isles branch line if a snp is found close to those nodes."
June 12, 2009 FTDNA reports Wil Husted's WTY SNP search results are in. Ken Nordtvedt email to Bill Morrow: "Wil Husted is discoverer of 3 new SNPs in his Walk the Y. We just have to pin down where they sit now."
June 14, 2009 FTDNA reports John O'Grady's WTY SNP search results are in. Ken Nordtvedt email to Bill Morrow: "one more new SNP found in O'Grady's test results. His SNP is ancestral for Husted & Husted's three are ancestral for O'Grady's so that places all four downstream of the I2a1 split for I2a2."
June 15, 2009 Ken Nordtvedt posting on Rootsweb Hg I list: 3 new I2a1 SNP's Ken urges all I2a1 folks to take the new L158, L159, & L160 SNP tests to further define this clade.
Group Adm note: Those members of I2a1 who made donations for SNP tests should email me in this regard.
June 16, 2009: FTDNA says "these SNPs are still being developed and I do not have a date as to when they will be available or if they will be viable SNPs that we can offer. Thomas Krahn will need to complete the testing on these SNPs and I do not have a time line as to how long it may take nor what the price of the SNPs will be."
Group Adm note: we are presently selecting a few of the members who donated money for the I2*/I2a SNP searches as candidates for testing the new SNPs. Four, probably will be narrowed to three donors, due to money problems. This should not discourage any I2a1 member from applying for the L158, L159 or L160 SNP tests at their own prerogative. We understand that O'Grady's new SNP is L161 and any I2a2 members who want to test for this SNP are also encouraged to do so, if and when FTDNA has the SNPs ready for testing.
June 16, 2009: Kittler Tests for I2a1-M26 Ken discusses kittler tests plus the newly discovered SNPs, (a must read).
June 18, 2009 new SNPs at FTDNA Dr. Krahn reports that SNPs L158, L159, L160 and L161 will be available in the next few days for tests at FTDNA. Dr. Krahn didn't state what the cost will be.
L158, L159 and L160 are newly discovered SNPs from Wil Husted's WTY, and we will test three I2a1 members at FTDNA. This does not preclude any other I2a1 member from taking their own tests.
SNP L161 was discovered on John O'Grady's WTY and testing that SNP L161 needs to be held off awhile for the other WTY SNP search results, since it is of a Disles donor.
June 20, 2009: Group Adm Bill Morrow made advance orders for three SNP tests of L158, L159 and L160 at FTDNA. This will cost $261 which will come out of the I2a fund, leaving $789 for future SNP tests from other WTY SNP searches.
June 22, 2009 FTDNA reports the SNPs are not yet available to test...
I was hoping my key word "advance" might get an early order accomplished..
June 27, 2009: They're Heeere! New Hg I SNPs Ken Nordtvedt says L158, L159 and L160 are now available for I2a1 folks to order tests at FTDNA. L161 is also available for I2a2 folks to order tests at FTDNA.
June 27, 2009 Group Adm Bill Morrow ordered SNP tests for three I2a1 donors, each will be tested for L158, L159 and L160. Subclades of the three are M26-B, M26-B and M26-A.
June 27, 2009: They're Heeere! New Hg I SNPs Elizabeth Kipp ordered SNP L161 test for donor whose subclade = I2a2-Isles-B1.
June 28, 2009 Kent Bishop, subclade M26-France says he will order SNPs L158,L159 and L160.
June 28, 2009: Ken clarifies L158,L159,L160 and L161 vs. M161
June 28, 2009 Four members of I2a have ordered SNP L161:
(1)105779 = Din-S; (2)113806 = Isles-C2;(3)N3470 = Disles (4) N43038 = Isles-B1. Two members have ordered P215: (1) 153528 = Isles-A (2) 80598 = M26-A.
Group Adm note: To order SNP tests, go to your FTDNA personal pages, when the screen appears, move your cursor to the left over "Order Tests and upgrades", click onto the icon. When that screen appears, click onto "SNP". That causes the various SNP codes to appear, then pick whichever you want tested.
June 28, 2009 Wil Husted urges all M26 folks to test new SNPs
June 28, 2009 Ken reminds those M26's who will test to include Kittler if they are 12-13 or 11-12, etc.
June 29, 2009 rs13447374 Walk The Y Results??? Ken thinks this may be another new SNP between I2a1 and I2a2.
6/30/2009 Received Lab Results for I2a group during June:
number....product.....lab test
1.......Deep Clade....M423
2.......Walk The Y.....WTY (Wil Husted & John O'Grady)
14.......upgrade DYS..
1.......mtHVR2toMega....FGS
6/30/2009 Unreceived Lab Results for I2a group as of June 30:
number..Product......batch#...est Result date....comments
1.......Walk the Y.......305......6/08/2009........Disles
1.......upgrade DYS...306......7/17
8.......upgrade DYS...309......7/06
1.......mtDNARefine...310......7/13
1.......upgrade DYS...310......7/13
2.......mtDNARefine...311......7/20
1.......mtDNA(HVR1)...312......7/27
1......upgrade DYs....312......7/27
6/30/2009 Pending Shipment to Lab
number....SNP test
2.........P215 (includes L158-161;L35, L37 L68)
4.........L158
4.........L159
4.........L160
5.........L161
July 2, 2009 donor for I2* Walk Through the Y says no results yet.
July 2, 2009 sixth L161 SNP test ordered
July 3, 2009: Unreceived Lab Results:
(tracing progress of new SNPs L158-L161 testing)
Number..Product..Batch....Est Results date
6......L158-160...315.......8/18/2009
6......L161..........315.......8/18/2009
July 6, 2009 Pending shipment to lab: Two L161 SNP tests.
July 6, 2009: Status of "Walk Through the Y" I2*/ I2a SNP searches:
(1) I2* Kakhi says no results as of July 2.
(2) I2a1-M26-A kit#40308 6/12 results = L158, L159, L160
(3) I2a2-M423-Isles-D2 kit#N28466 6/14 results = L161
(4) I2a2-M423-Disles kit#8386 no results as of July 6
(5) I2a*-P37.2-Western kit#11612 6/19 application is pending
July 6, 2009 Recap of SNP tests ordered:
.........................-----SNPs---------------
Subclade:........L158..L159..L160..L161
M26-A...................3.......3.........3.......1
M26-B...................2.......2.........2
Isles-A1................1.......1.........1.......2
Isles-B1.............................................1
Isles-B2.............................................1
Isles-C2.............................................2
Din-S..................................................1
Disles.................................................1
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Totals..................6........6........6..........9
July 6, 2009: Walk The Y with I2b1 Adam Waalkes reports no ETA for his WTY for I2b1.
July 07, 2009: Hg I2* still needed? Ken answers John Mellanby's query, "stay tuned" to the Hg I forum for news.
July 07, 2009: FTDNA advised that Group Adm Bill Morrow kit 11612 subclade I2a*-P37.2-Western was accepted 6/29/2009 for a Walk Through the Y SNP search. Today Bill donated $750 to the I2*/ I2a SNP search, this amount to be used on his WTY. Bill's DYS marker upgrade from 25 to 67 markers (results due 7/6/09)still lacks results on panel 48-60 markers.
July 8, 2009: Jane Gilbert, Group Adm of the I2b1 Haplogroup Project, says "no news yet on the WTY" for her group. Here are the two WTY's.
kit 144628 = I2b1-Cont1 4/29/2009
kit 95338 = I2b1-Roots2 5/21/2009
July 8, 2009: Blog regarding call for Legislation for DTC Genetic Tests Roberta Estes gives link to the blog. For more about DTC "Direct to Consumer" testing: DTC Genetic Testing
July 9, 2009: FTDNA reports two SNP tests (were under pending shipment to lab)for L161 are now in the lab under batch 316 with estimated due date 8/24/2009. Total L161 SNP tests todate is nine.
July 9, 2009 Group Adm Bill Morrow mailed his new DNA samples (vials #3 and #4) for kit 11612 back to FTDNA for forthcoming "Walk Throught the Y" SNP search for I2*/ I2a project. He is I2a*-P37.2-Western. FTDNA should receive his DNA kit no later than monday July 13, 2009.
July 11, 2009: Seven Evolutionary leftovers in the human body
July 11, 2009: I2a1-France in Ireland indicates Norman/Continental origin? Bernie Cullen comments.
July 11, 2009: Recent WTY Results?
July 11, 2009 Vincent Vizachero says FTDNA stated that WTYs are priced at an unprofitable level.
July 14, 2009: World's oldest Willy Genealogy-DNA posting by Dennis Wright.
July 14, 2009 FTDNA shows new I2*/ I2a WTY SNP search "pending shipment to lab" status for Group Adm Bill Morrow kit 11612 subclade: I2a*-P37.2-Western.
July 15, 2009 Status of WTY SNP search for kit 8386 has changed from "unreceived lab results" to "received lab results". His subclade is I2a2-M423-Disles. He emailed today that FTDNA has not notified him yet.
July 15, 2009: Status of I2*/ I2a WTY SNP search for Bill Morrow, kit 11612, changed by FTDNA from "shipment pending to lab" to "unreceived lab results" batch 317, expected completion date is August 31, 2009
July 16, 2009: Null 425 in M26-F. Ken says DYS425 = -0- might be a super marker for subclade I2a1-M26-France. Of the four current members, three do show -0- at DYS 425, the fourth member only has 37 markers, with DYS425 being within the 48-60 marker panel.
July 16, 2009: Charles Kerchner's null425 yDNA Project If you have DYS425=0, Charles suggests testing DYF371X.
July 17, 2009: DNA Study at Univ of Leicester, Eng Viking I1 Study has stopped taking applications for the time being.
July 17, 2009: FTDNA reports new tests ordered for SNPs L158, L159, L160 for kit 28581 subclade I2a1-M26-France. This raises the total tests for these SNPs to seven members of I2a.
July 18, 2009: donor kit 8386, subclade I2a2-M423-Disles, whose WTY SNP search results are in says he sent results to Ken Nordtvedt for his analysis so we laymen may soon have new info.
July 18, 2009: Is the Y Chromosome Going Bye-bye?
July 18, 2009: Early results from WTY SNP search for Disles donor, per Ken is a new SNP L178. More Walk the Y new SNP You need to read Ken's posting, it offers a good explanation of the benefits from this SNP search.
July 18, 2009: FTDNA reports results from SNP tests:
-------------SNPs Tested---------
subclade...L158..L159..L160..L161
Isles A1.............................................+
Isles A*......?..........-............-..............+
Isles B1.............................................+
Isles B2.............................................+
Isles C2.............................................+
Disles...............................................-
M26A........?............+..............-
M26B........+............+..............+
M26B........+............+..............+
footnotes:
? = awaiting results
* = only 12 markers tested, can't distinquish A1 or A2 until later.
July 18, 2009: Ken discusses results from SNP L161 tests.
July 18, 2009: The donor (kit 8386,subclade I2a2-M423-Disles) for the WTY SNP search which discovered the new SNP L178 says he tested ancestral (-) for SNPs L158, L159, L160 as part of his WTY.
July 19, 2009 I2a1-M26+ have snps..interesting snps Ken says more SNP tests by I2a1 members are needed.
July 20, 2009: new order for SNP L161 test by donor whose subclade is I2a2-M423-Isles-C2. New order for SNP L158, L159, L160 by donor whose subclade is I2a1-M26-France.
July 21, 2009: The WTY donor subclade I2a2-Disles says he is + derived for his new SNP L178; he is T+ on SNP L161 and is ancestral for L161 and is derived for SNP L69=T.
July 21, 2009: The WTY donor subclade M26-A Wil Husted says he is derived (positive) for his new SNPs L158, L159, L160 and is ancestral (negative) for L161.
July 21, 2009: The WTY donor subclade I2a2-M423-Isles B-2 is ancestral (negative) for SNPs L158, L159, L160 and is derived (positive) for his new SNP L161. He is also value = A = ancestral for rs161492.
July 21, 2009 FTDNA has been reporting results on fridays. I understand tho that Dr Krahn is out of the office. If more results are reported friday July 24, I will recap everything like July 17 so the reader can see at a glance the results by subclade for the SNP
tests.
July 22, 2009: M26-A donor has ordered SNP L160.
July 22, 2009: DNA Coalescence vs MRCA vs Founder Ken explains
there is no way to estimate age back to happening of an SNP. Just nodes.
July 23, 2009: FTDNA reports in "Unreceived Lab Results" new batch 318 with estimated date 9/7/09 which includes the following new orders for SNPs:
SNPs ordered........donor's subclade
L158,L159,L160....I2a1-M26-France
L158,L159,L160....I2a1-M26-France
L160.....................I2a1-M26-A
L161.....................I2a2-M423-Isles-C2
July 25, 2009: FTDNA reported new SNP test results:
donor's subclade.....SNP test results
M26-A.................L158+
Isles C2..............L161+
Din-S.................L161-
July 26, 2009: new order for SNPs L158, L159, L160 by donor with subclade M26-A.
July 26, 2009: From Group Adm Bill Morrow: we need more SNP L160 tests from M26-B and M26-C folks. The cost is $29 US, as Ken Nordtvedt says, "about the same price you pay for a large pizza with three toppings." If you don't want to order SNP tests, please consider donating to the I2a general fund, any amount.
July 27, 2009: new SNP L160 test ordered, subclade M26-A.
July 27, 2009: new SNP L160 test ordered, subclade M161+
July 28, 2009: Group Adm's commentary on SNP Tests
We currently have $789 in the I2a general fund. That will pay for 27 future SNP tests. ($29 US cost per SNP test). We have five ongoing "Walk the Y" SNP searches which have discovered five new SNPs thus far and we expect four more new SNPs to be discovered. There have been 32 SNP tests completed, with 26 more ordered. New SNP L178, the 5th discovery, has yet to be available for testing. So we will have at least five new SNPs to test. Divide 5 into 27 = 5 tests per new SNPs. SNPs L158, L159, L160 and L161 have 56 tests (includes current orders not completed) = 14 tests average. Five tests for future SNPs compared to 14 tests for existing SNPs is lopsided. It is apparent we need more donations.
Folks see the $789 and think that is plenty but the amount is misleading. Please consider donating to the I2a general fund. Anybody, any amount. Each $29 US donation pays for one SNP test.
July 28, 2009: new order for SNP L160, subclade M26-C, from Azores.
July 29, 2009: FTDNA posted SNP L158 test results as negative for subclade Isles-A* ancestry: UK. This was expected.
July 29, 2009: This friday I intend to recap the various SNP tests both completed and those on order.
July 29, 2009: The I2* donor of the "Walk the Y" SNP test says today that he still has not received any test results from FTDNA.
July 29, 2009: FTDNA posted SNP L161 test results as positive for subclade Isles-C2,whose ancestry is Ireland. This was expected.
July 30, 2009: Ken recaps the effect of new I2a SNPs will have on ISOGG subclade nomenclature
July 30, 2009: FTDNA reports new batch 319 in lab with results due 9/15/2009 of the following SNPs to be tested:
subclade....SNP......ancestry
M26-A.......L160.....France
M26-A.......L160.....Spain
M161........L160.....Spain
M26-C.......L160.....Azores
Isles-C1....L161.....Ireland
Isles-C1....L161.....USA
July 30, 2009: Group Adm notes. Regarding SNP tests and other orders by donors, FTDNA has three reports to the Group Adm, first report: "Pending shipment to Lab". This report is a list of all orders which are pending payment. When payment is made, next step, the order is moved to a second report "Unreceived lab results" Simply means the order has gone to the lab for testing. In this second report, orders are given a batch number and expected due date for orders. This info also appears in the donors personal pages at FTDNA, under "Pending lab results". The third and final report to Group Adm is "Received lab results" which shows each donors completed tests. This info also appears in the donors personal pages "Haplotree" at FTDNA, and shows whether SNP tests are positive or negative.
In my "News" daily updates, I try to report when a new order has been made, then when it is sent to the lab, and finally, the received lab reports. This way the reader can keep updated on the progress of all SNP tests during this crucial stage of WTY SNP searches.
Because of FTDNA privacy rules, I will not show a donor's kit number but will show their subclade, SNP test taken, results whether positive or negative and each donor's ancestry. This will be valuable info for those keeping track of the SNP searches.
July 31, 2009: new order for SNP L160 by donor whose subclade is M26-France and ancestry is USA.
Aug 1, 2009: Recap of SNP tests and results:
subclade..ancestry...L158...L159....L160...L161
*M26-A.....England........+...........+............+............-
*Isles-D2..Ireland........-...........-............-..............+
*Disles....USA............-...........-............-..............-
Isles-C2..Ireland.................................................+
Isles-B2..USA.....................................................+
M26-B.....Wales..........+............+............+
Isles-A1..USA......................................................+
Isles-A1..U.K............-............-............-...............+
M26-A.....France.........+............+............-
Disles....Serbia...................................................-
M26-B.....Spain..........+............+.............+
Isles-B1..UK.......................................................+
Isles-C2..Ireland..................................................+
Din-S.....Bosnia...................................................-
footnote:
* = WTY SNP search results
---Unreceived Lab Results
subclade..ancestry...L158...L159...L160...L161
M26-F...Spain..............0............0.............0
M26-A...Ireland..........................................0
M26-A...England............0...........0............0..........0
M26-F...England............0..........0.............0
M26-A...Portugal...........0..........0.............0
M26-F...France..........................................0
M26-A...Spain...............0...........0.............0
M161....Spain..........................................0
M26-C...Azores.........................................0
Isles-C1.Ireland...................................................0
Isles-C1.USA.......................................................0
M26-F....USA...........................................0
footnote:
0 = new SNP test orders
Aug 02, 2009: FTDNA posted new order for L160 by a donor whose subclade is M26-A and whose ancestry is c1791 USA
Aug 02, 2009: SubHaplogroup L160- May be DYS438=11? Ken discusses new SNP L160 and need for those M26ers with DYS438=11 to test SNP L160.
Aug 02, 2009: Ken has updated his Hg I Tree
Aug 3, 2009: FTDNA rec'd order for SNP L160 test from M26-A donor w/England ancestry who has DYS438 = 11. This test is important since we suspect this type donor will be negative for SNP L160 while other M26ers are positive. If this bears out, we could have a new subclade.
Aug 3, 2009: FTDNA reports an order for I-P215 which includes SNPs L158, L159, L160 and L161 from a donor whose subclade is M26-C and whose ancestry is Germany.
Aug 3, 2009. FTDNA rec'd 2nd order for SNP L160 test from M26-A donor w/England ancestry who has DYS = 11. This is a different donor from 1st order but they have a common ancestor.
Aug 4, 2009: I2a's L178 is Relocated Upstream
Aug 4, 2009: FTDNA reports an order for SNP L161 from a donor whose subclade is Isles-B2 and ancestry = Poland.
Aug 5, 2009: FTDNA reported the following SNP test results:
subclade...ancestry..SNP test results
M26-C......Azores.........L160+
Isles-C1...UK.............L161+
Isles-C1...Ireland........L161+
M26-A......England........L158+ L159+ L160+
Aug 6, 2009: Did Dinaric I2a2 MRCA ancestors move Southeast rather than Northwest?
Aug 6, 2009: FTDNA reports the following new orders for SNP tests under batch 320 expected due date = 9/21/2009 "Unreceived Lab results":
subclade...ancestry...SNP test
M26-A......England.....L160, DYS452
M26-A......USA.........L160, kittler
M26-F......USA.........L160
M26-A......England.....L160, DYS452
M26-C......Germany.....L158,L159,L160,L161
Isles-B2...Poland......L161
Aug 7, 2009: Ken says DYS635-461-441 separates Disles from Dinanic
Aug 7, 2009: Dr Krahn has accepted an advanced order to test SNP L178 of a I2a donor whose subclade is I2a*-P37.2-France w/ancestry in France. I checked to see if SNP L178 is available to everybody but did not see it listed.
Aug 7, 2009: FTDNA reported SNP test results for a donor whose subclade is M26-A w/ancestry England: L161-
Aug 7, 2009: FTDNA reported an order to test SNP L161 from a donor whose subclade is Isles-C1 w/ancestry USA.
Aug 7, 2009: My I1* WTY Results Obed Odom says two new SNPs were found and may have split I1*
Aug 8, 2009: FTDNA reports test results: L160- for donor whose subclade is M26-A w/ancestry Ireland. As Bernie says, this is a surprise!
Aug 8, 2009: FTDNA reports test results: L158+ L159+ L160- for donor whose subclade is M26-France w/ancestry: England.
Aug 8, 2009: 14,000 year old map May have been engraved by ancestors of M26ers?
Aug 8, 2009: Summary of SNP tests as of 8/8:
SNP...#completed..#in lab..pending to lab
L158.........6..................4............1
L159.........6..................4............1
L160.........8..................8............2
L161.........12.................2............1
L178............................................1
Aug 11, 2009: FTDNA reported SNP test results: L158+ L159+ L160- for donor whose subclade is M26-France w/ancestry: Spain
Aug 12, 2009: Our 200th member joined today.
Aug 12, 2009: FTDNA reported to Kakhi Sakhltkhutsishvili, I2* donor for WTY SNP search with our I2a group, that they might be completed with his WTY near the end of this month. "The first run did not pass quality control and had to be redone. The second run is complete and things look good so far. The test is going into scoring now and while the lab does not provide an estimated date we should have these within the end of the month, provided it still looks good through the final stage of quality control".
Our thanks to Kakhi for sharing this info.
Aug 12, 2009: FTDNA reported SNP test results:
subclade...ancestry.....SNP test results
M26-A......England.......L160+
M26-C......Germany.......L158+, L159+, L160+, L161-
Isles-B2...Poland........L161+
Aug 12, 2009: FTDNA reported new batch 321 in the lab, estimated date complete 9/28/2009:
subclade....ancestry...SNP test ordered
P37.2-France..France....L178
M26-C.........USA.......L160
Isles-B1......USA.......L161
M26-A.........Mexico....L158,L159,L160
Aug 13, 2009: As Group Adm I am compiling SNP L160 test results to try to determine what causes some M26ers to test negative while others test positive. Hoping to zero in on one or more DYS markers which might predict positive or negative. Not much luck so far. Any M26ers are welcome to test the SNP L160, the cost is $29 plus a one time $9.50 transfer fee moving your DNA sample from Arizona lab to Houston lab.
Aug 14, 2009: FTDNA reports SNP L160+ on donor whose subclade is I2a1-M161+ (subclade of M26) w/ancestry: Spain. This is our only I2a member who tested positive for the SNP M161 so we had him tested for the new SNP L160 to see whether he would test positive or negative.
Aug 14, 2009: FTDNA reports new orders for SNPs L158, L159, L160 by a donor whose subclade is M26-A w/ancestry: England.
Aug 15, 2009: What are L160 results telling us? Bernie Cullen comments and analysis, asks for more M26ers to test L160.
Aug 18, 2009: FTDNA reports SNPs L158+ L159+ L160+ for donor whose subclade is M26-A w/ancestry: Spain, he previously tested M161-.
Aug 19, 2009: a new member of I2a who joined today, had earlier(7/17/09) tested L158+ L159+ L160+ L161- his subclade is M26-A w/ancestry: Germany; he also tested M161-
Aug 19, 2009: FTDNA reported new batch 322 with est. result date Oct 5, 2009 for the following new SNP tests now in the lab:
subclade....ancestry....test ordered
M26-A.......England...L158, L159, L160
M26-A.......Mexico....DYS-YCAlla ordered, to determine if M26 or not.
Aug 21, 2009 FTDNA reported two SNP tests completed:
subclade....ancestry.......SNP results
M26-A.......USA............L160+
M26-France..USA..........L160-
Aug 24, 2009: National Geographic will begin airing "The Human Family Tree" next sunday Aug 30, 2009 at 8pm Eastern time.
Here's a link:
The Human Family Tree
Aug 25, 2009: FTDNA reported a new order for SNP L160 by a donor whose subclade is M26-B w/ancestry: Ireland
Aug 26, 2009: The Peopling of Europe Dennis Wright's posting with links to articles.
Aug 27, 2009: FTDNA reports in "unreceived lab results" a new batch 323 with est. results due Oct 12, 2009 which includes one order of SNP L160 by donor whose subclade is M26-B w/ancestry: Ireland.
Aug 27, 2009: Summary of SNP tests completed
SNP....positive..negative..total
L158.....9...............1...........10
L159.....9...............1...........10
L160.....10..............6...........16
L161.....10..............5...........15
_____________________________________
totals...38.............13...........51
Aug 27, 2009 "unreceived lab results"
SNP......orders
L158.......3
L159.......3
L160.......7
L161.......1
L178.......1
________________
totals....15
Aug 27, 2009: FTDNA has a new order to test SNP L160 & Kittler in "Pending lab results" by donor whose subclade is M26-C w/ancestry: USA
Aug 28, 2009: FTDNA reports one completed SNP test: L161+ for donor whose subclade is I2a2-M423-Isles-B1 w/ancestry: USA
Aug 31, 2009: FTDNA reports a new order for SNP L160 & kittler by a new I2a member whose subclade is M26-B w/ancestry: England
Aug 31, 2009: FTDNA reports results on SNP L160+ test by donor whose subclade is M26-C w/ancestry: USA
September 01, 2009: The recent SNP studies have us double checking all existing SNPs. The SNP with the least information is SNP P41.2. According to ISOGG, SNP P-41.2 defines I2a2a which is a subclade of I2a2-M423. Of the 236 members of I2a, none have been found positive for this SNP P41.2 so a check was made of any member who has tested SNP P-41.2 to see whether they tested positive or negative. From a cursory study by Bill Morrow, 22 of our 236 members of I2a have tested the SNP P41.2 from June 2008 thru July 2009 and all were found negative. Subclades were: 1-M26-B; 3-P37.2-West; 4-Din-N; 2-Din-S; 2-Isles-A1; 1-Isles-A2; 1-Isles-B1; 1-Isles-B2; 2-Isles-C1; 1-Isles-C2; 3-Isles-D2; 1-Disles.
Ken Nordtvedt has one anonymous donor from a university DNA study who tested positive for SNP P41.2.
September 01, 2009: White Europeans evolved only 5,500 years ago?
Sept 2, 2009: FTDNA reports a new order for SNP L160 by a new donor whose subclade is M26-B w/ancestry: USA
Sept 2, 2009: Where I2a2-Din lived prior to the Balkan migration
Sept 3, 2009: FTDNA reports "in lab" new SNP L160 test, by M26-C donor w/ancestry: USA; new SNP L160 test by M26-B donor w/ancestry: England.
Sept 3, 2009: FTDNA reports a completed test for SNP L160 which is negative for donor whose subclade is M26-B w/ancestry: Ireland. Previously only M26-A donors had tested both positive and negative.
Sept 5, 2009: We may now have a clue about M26ers testing negative for SNP L160. So far, any M26er with 17 or greater alleles at marker (51)DYS 557 tests negative. Of the 82 donors who are M26 A,B,C or F, there are 61 who have not tested enough markers for their results to include marker DYS(51)557. Since marker (51)DYS 557 is part of panel four, these M26ers would have to upgrade markers 26 thru 67 or markers 38 thru 67. The cost to upgrade from 25 to 67 = $148 and the cost to upgrade from 38 to 67 is $99. So that probably keeps the M26ers from upgrading. Money is a problem for most I2a members including M26ers.
The cost for testing the SNP L160 is $29 plus FTDNA charges $9.50 to transfer DNA to the Houston lab, for a total of $38.50. Much less than upgrading.
It would greatly help our efforts for any M26er who hasn't tested SNP L160 to do so. We really need more tests to help us understand why SNP L160 tests both positive and negative for M26ers. If any M26er tests SNP L160 and the result is negative, the I2a Group Adm. will use I2a funds for the test for marker DYS(51)557 to see if its alleles are 17 or greater.
Sept 6, 2009: FTDNA reports two new orders for SNP L160, one donor is subclade M26-B w/ancestry: USA, the second donor is subclade M26-A w/ancestry: Spain.
Sept 6, 2009: SNPs, Clades and Trees A "must read" by Ken Nordtvedt who clarifies his perspective on the relationships between Clades, SNPs and the y Tree.
His last paragraph is what Haplogroup study is all about.
Sept 7, 2009: 40 Nodes to You Ken predicts 40 nodes back to genetic Adam.
Sept 7, 2009: FTDNA reports a donor whose subclade is M26-A with ancestry: USA has ordered SNPs L158, L159 and L160 and the Kittler.
Sept 8, 2009: FTDNA reports a donor whose subclade is M26-A w/ancestry: Ireland has ordered SNP L160.
Sept 8, 2009: SNP Mutation Rate from WTY-I's Ken mentions I2* Western WTY and possible scenarios which might happen regarding new SNPs.
Sept 8, 2009: FTDNA reports a new order for SNP L160 from a donor whose subclade is M26-A w/ancestry: Spain. This donor has 67 markers and marker (51)557 has 15 alleles, so if our theory holds true, SNP L160 should test positive.
Sept 8, 2009: FTDNA reports test results for SNP L159 and L160 are positive for donor whose subclade is M26-A w/ancestry: England
SNP L158 is still in lab, results due 10/05/09. This donor shows 16 allele at DYS marker (51)557 which agrees with our theory that 17 and above alleles test negative for L160.
Sept 10, 2009: FTDNA reports SNP L178 tested negative for a donor whose subclade is I2a*-P37.2-France with ancestry: France. FTDNA still does not show L178 available for other testing. This was an advance order. These results mean that SNP L178 may be phylogenetically equivalent to SNP M423.
My thanks to all the donors placing orders to test SNPs. Here are the totals as of 9/11:
Number of SNPs tested
L158 = +9 -1 = 10
L159 = +10 -1 = 11
L160 = +12 -7 = 19
L161 = +11 -5 = 16
L178 = .......-1...= 1
_________________
totals..+42..-15...= 57
SNPs still in lab:
L158 = 4
L159 = 3
L160 = 13
_________
totals..20
Sept 16, 2009: Kittler Tests are last game in town
Sept 16, 2009: New Clues to Sex anomalies in how Y Chromosomes are copied
Sept 17, 2009: FTDNA reports completed tests for two SNPs.
First SNP test: SNP L158 tested positive for a donor whose subclade is M26-A with ancestry: England.
Second SNP test: SNP L160 tested negative for a donor whose subclade is M26-A with ancestry: France. This donor agreed to test DYS marker (51)557 to see if the alleles are 17 or greater. This cost of less than $9 bucks will be paid out of I2a funds.
Sept 18, 2009: FTDNA reports two tests of SNP L160 completed.
First donor whose subclade is M26-A w/ancestry: Ireland = L160+
Second donor whose subclade is M26-C w/ancestry: USA = L160+
FTDNA also reported one donor tested negative for SNP M161 whose subclade is M26-C w/ancestry: Germany.
Yes, this is M161 not L161. M161 is an older SNP which is downstream of M26.
Sept 22, 2009: FTDNA reports test results on SNP L160 is positive for a donor whose subclade is M26-A w/ancestry England. We also asked for a test of DYS 452 with this donor but this test is still in the lab.
This leaves nine more tests for L160 still in the lab.
Sept 22, 2009: FTDNA reports test results on SNP L160 is negative for a donor whose subclade is M26-B w/ancestry: England. This donor has 16 allele at DYS marker (51)557 which changes our theory of 17 or higher allele. Haven't checked, but I think some who have tested positive for L160 also have 16 allele at 557. Bad news for our theory.
Sept 25, 2009: The sponsor of the donor whose subclade is M26-B w/ancestry: England who 9/22 tested L160- has ordered L158 and L159. This is very helpful to our research.
Sept 25, 2009: 11 pounds of 675-725 ad dated gold coins found in UK Archeological treasure of Anglo Saxon gold and silver artifacts may change ideas about medieval Englands Germanic rulers.
Sept 28, 2009: The I2a group now has 250 members, up from 85 back on Oct 31, 2008 when Bill Morrow became Group Adm.
Sept 30, 2009: The newly discovered SNP L178 is now available for testing. This SNP affects Dinaric and Isles folks, testing will tell us more. Thus far, Isles D2 is derived (positive); Disles is derived; and I2a*-France is ancestral (negative).
M26ers need not test this SNP, but all M423's are invited to test.
To order a test, go to your personal pages at FTDNA. When the screen appears, move your cursor to the left and select "Order Tests and upgrades". When that screen appears, select "Go to Advanced Orders" When that screen appears, click next to SNP. The screen will change, scroll down and click next to L178. Continue on thru payment processing. The cost is $29 US, plus there may be an additional $9.50 if your DNA sample needs to be moved to Houston.
I will select five members of I2a to test the new SNP L178 using I2a funds. The purpose will be to see how certain subclades are affected. But as mentioned, all members who are Dinaric or Isles are welcome to test the new SNP L178.
Sept 30, 2009: FTDNA reports a new order to test SNP L178 from a donor whose subclade is Isles-C2 w/ancestry: Ireland.
Oct 1, 2009: FTDNA reports one donor tested negative to SNP L160 whose subclade is M26-B w/ancestry: USA. I am asking this donor to test DYS marker (51)557 to see if his alleles are 17 or greater.
Oct 1, 2009: FTDNA reports new batch 328 in lab with expected due date of Nov 16, 2009 which includes one order of SNP L178 for donor whose subclade is Isles-C2 w/ancestry: Ireland; also orders for L158 and L159 from donor whose subclade is M26-B w/ancestry: England.
Oct 1, 2009; Before Lucy came Ardi, new hominid found who lived 4.4 million years ago
Oct 2, 2009: FTDNA reports four new orders for SNP L178 with subclades: Isles A1, Isles B2, Din-N and P37.2-France.
Oct 2, 2009: Summary of SNP tests:
SNP..total
L158 = 11
L159 = 11
L160 = 25
L161 = 16
L178 = 01
_________
totals = 64
Oct 2, 2009: Current orders and "in-lab" SNP tests:
SNP..total
L158..4
L159..4
L160..7
L161..0
L178..5
total: 20
Oct 2, 2009: FTDNA reported an order for SNP L178 for a donor whose subclade is Isles-C2 w/ancestry: Ireland.
Oct 3, 2009: FTDNA reported test results for five donors:
(1) subclade M26-A w/USA ancestry L158+ L159+ L160+
(2) subclade M26-B w/USA ancestry L160+
(3) subclade M26-A w/Mexico ancestry L158+ L159+ L160+
(4) subclade M26-A w/Spain ancestry L160+
(5) subclade M26-A w/England ancestry L160+
Oct 5, 2009: FTDNA reports test results for SNP L160 is positive for one donor whose subclade is M26-A w/ancestry: Spain.
Oct 6, 2009: FTDNA reports a new order for SNP L160 by a donor whose subclade is M26-A w/ancestry: England
Oct 7, 2009: FTDNA reports batch 329 in the lab with due date 11/23/09 which includes testting:
....SNP....clade...ancestry
(1) L160...M26-A... England
(2) L178...Isles-A1.. UK
(3) L178...P37.2-France..France
(4) L178...Isles-C2... Ireland
(5) L178...Isles-B2....UK
(6) L178...M26-A......Russia Federation
(7) L69....Din-S.....Bosnia
(8) DYS557..M26-B.....USA
Oct 8, 2009: FTDNA reports a new order for SNP L159.1 for a donor whose subclade is M26-France with ancestry USA.
Please note L159.1 rather than L159, this is because other clades than I2a also test positive for L159. FTDNA has renumbered all previous L159 tests, now they all read L159.1 for I2a members.
Oct 11, 2009: "Discovering Ardi" and "Understanding Ardi" three hours special tonight on the Discovery Channel.. about the 4.4 million year old Ardipitecus Ramidus discovered 1990's in Ethiopia..
Oct 12, 2009: Gloucester body is 400 A.D. Goth Warrior
Oct 12, 2009: There are two I2a orders for SNP L69.2. One just ordered by a donor whose clade is Isles-B2 with UK ancestry, the other is already in batch 329 and due 11/23/09 by a donor whose clade is Din-S with ancestry in Bosnia & Herzegovina. This SNP L69.2 defines I2a2b according to ISOGG.
Oct 13, 2009: FTDNA reports test results for SNP L69 is positive for a donor whose clade is Din-S with ancestry in Bosnia & Herzegovina.
Oct 14, 2009: FTDNA reports a new member of I2a has ordered SNP L69. His subclade is Din-S with ancestry: Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Oct 14, 2009: We now have 260 members in I2a.
Oct 15, 2009: FTDNA reports new batch 330 in the lab due 11/30/09 which includes the following SNP tests:
(1) L159.1 by donor with subclade M26-France ancestry: USA
(2) I-L69 by donor with subclade Isles-B2 ancestry: USA
(3) I-L69 by donor with subclade Din-S ancestry: Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Oct 16, 2009: FTDNA reported orders for SNP L160 and Kittler for one donor whose clade is M26-B with Wales ancestry. Donor has 16 allele at DYS marker (51)557.
Oct 19, 2009: The Mysteries of La Hougue Bie 6,000 year old burial site at Jersey UK
Oct 21, 2009: a new donor with subclade Din-S and ancestry: Hungary, has ordered SNP L178. Todate there is one test completed and six in the lab with results due 11/16 to ll/23/09. This total does not count the WTY SNP searches which also have L178 results for two WTY's, the Isles B2 WTY donor tested positive, the Dinaric WTY donor tested positive and the P37.2-France donor tested negative.
The six L178 orders in the lab are:
(1)Isles-A1 ancestry UK,due 11/23/09
(2)Isles-C2,ancestry Ireland due 11/16
(3)I2a*-P37.2-France, ancestry: Germany due 11/23
(4)Isles-C2 ancestry: Ireland due ll/23
(5)Isles-B2 ancestry: UK 11/23
(6)Din-N ancestry: Russian Federation due 11/23
Oct 22, 2009: FTDNA reports new batch 331 in lab, results due 12/07 which includes one order for Kittler and L160 by donor whose subclade is M26-B with ancestry: Wales
Oct 22, 2009: FTDNA reports test results for two SNP L69
(1) Isles-B2 ancestry USA tested L69 negative
(2) Din-S ancestry Bosnia and Herzegovina tested L69 positive
Oct 25, 2009: FTDNA reports a new Din-S donor with Montenegro ancestry has ordered L178.
Oct 25, 2009: The visitor counter to this I2a website reached 6016
which averages 44 visits per day since counting started on June 10, 2009.
Oct 28, 2009: FTDNA reported that SNP tests for L158, L159. L160 were positive for donor whose subclade is M26-A with ancestry: Portugal
Oct 29, 2009: FTDNA reports two new orders now in lab in batch 332 due 12/14/2009 for SNP L178. Both donors are Din-S, ones ancestry is Montenegro the other's Hungary.
Nov 2, 2009: Using DNA to solve a problem
Don Munro's question leads to his joining our group at the suggestion of Michael Keaveney. Using DNA to solve a problem
Nov 4, 2009: FTDNA reports two new orders for SNP tests:
(1) L69 by new donor whose subclade is Din-N w/ancestry: Spain
(2) L178 by new donor whose subclade is Isles A-1 w/ancestry: Scotland
Nov 6, 2009: FTDNA reports new batch 333 in lab, due 12/21/2009 which includes one order for L69 by donor whose subclade is Din-N with ancestry in Spain.
Nov 11, 2009: It may be premature, but it looks like my WTY SNP search has discovered a new SNP L233. I have emailed Dr. Krahn and have asked for Ken Nordtvedt's help in this matter. This is as good as Christmas, waiting on presents.
Dr. Krahn verified SNP L233 was discovered in my WTY SNP search, and is ancestral in M423 and M26. So all I2a* members who are P37.2-Western,P37.2-France and P37.2-West Isles are invited to test the new SNP L233, when it becomes available for testing.
Nov 12, 2009: FTDNA reports a new order for L178 in batch 334 due 12/28/2009 by a donor whose subclade is Isles A1 with Scotland ancestry.
Nov 12, 2009: FTDNA reported test results for L160 and L178:
(1) M26-B donor whose ancestry is Wales tested L160+
(2) Din-N donor whose ancestry is Ukraine tested L178+
Nov 13, 2009: Derived and Ancestral vs. Positive and Negative Diana really explains the differences well.
Nov 13, 2009: FTDNA reports a donor tested L159.1+ whose subclade is M26-France with USA recent ancestry.He previously tested L160-.
Nov 14, 2009: In an exchange of emails between several I2a members and Ken Nordtvedt, Ken says: "I2a2 Dinaric and Isles branched apart many thousands of years before either Isles or Dinaric clades begun to multiply from their MRCAs. This split may have occured 10,000 years ago...Do we have any clues about the ancestry of Dinaric I2a2 or Isles prior to their MRCAs? We have the Disles clade which split from the Dinaric line maybe 5 or 6 thousand years ago. Disles is found mainly in the British Isles, though it looks most like Dinaric. And there is I2a-F clade which is M423- but branched off the I2a line not much before Isles and Dinaric split. I2a-F is strongly associated so far with French origins, but one haplotype of it from Albania seems to have been found".
Nov 14, 2009: FTDNA reports two new orders pending being sent to the lab:
(1) one donor whose clade is M26-B with Italian ancestry has ordered L160.
(2) one donor whose clade is Isles-B1 with English ancestry has ordered L178
Nov 14, 2009: FTDNA reports new batch 334 due 12/28/09 includes an order for L178 from a donor whose clade is Isles-A1 with Scottish ancestry.
Nov 18, 2009: FTDNA reports test results for SNP L178 is positve for donor whose subclade is Isles-A1 with Scottish ancestry. This was expected.
Nov 19, 2009: FTDNA reports orders for L158 and L159.1 by a donor whose clade is M26-A and ancestry is Ireland.
Nov 19, 2009: a donor whose clade is Din-S with ancestry from Bosnia and Herzegovina has ordered SNPs L60 and L178.
Nov 19, 2009: four donors have ordered SNP L233
(1) P37.2-West with UK ancestry
(2) P37.2-France with France ancestry
(3) P37.2-West with UK ancestry
(4) P37.2-West with USA ancestry
Nov 20, 2009: FTDNA reports test results for L178 was derived (positive) for a donor whose clade is Din-S with Hugarian ancestry.
Nov 21, 2009: FTDNA reports test results for SNP L178:
(1) Isles-A1 donor UK ancestry = L178+
(2) Isles-C2 donor Ireland ancestry = L178+
(3) Isles-C2 donor Irleand ancestry = L178+
(4) Isles-B2 donor USA ancestry = L178+
(5) P37.2-France donor France>Germany ancestry = L178-